MMS, Iodine & Thyroid 
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There's been rumours that taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement [chlorine dioxide] can deplete thyroid hormones.
I found this old post in another group [can't link to it, sorry].
I'm thinking, if we just take Iodine regularly [which we should anyway], then Miracle-Mineral-Supplement won't have a detrimental impact on the thyroid, as the Iodine will work to restore.
What do you think?
Here's the post:
"Toxicological studies dealing with recent findings of health effects
of drinking water disinfectants are reviewed. Experiments with
monkeys and rodents indicate that the biological activity of ingested
disinfectants is expressed via their chemical interaction with the
mucosal epithelia, secretory products, and nutritional contents of
the alimentary tract. Evidence exists that a principal partner of
this redox interaction is the Iodide of nutritional origin that is
ubiquitous in the gastrointestinal tract. Thus the observation that
subchronic exposure to chlorine dioxide (ClO2) in drinking water
decreases serum thyroxine levels in mammalian species can be best
explained with changes produced in the chemical form of the
bioavailable iodide. Ongoing and previously reported mechanistic
studies indicate that oxidizing agents such as chlorine-based
disinfectants oxidize the basal Iodide content of the
gastrointestinal tract. The resulting reactive Iodine species readily
attaches to organic matter by covalent bonding. Evidence suggests
that the extent to which such iodinated organics are formed is
proportional to the magnitude of the electromotive force and
stoichiometry of the redox couple between Iodide and the
disinfectant. Because the extent of thyroid uptake of the
bioavailable iodide does not decrease during ClO2 ingestion, it seems
that ClO2 does not cause iodide deficiency of sufficient magnitude to
account for the decrease in hormonogenesis. Absorption of one or more
of iodinated molecules, e.g., nutrients, hormones, or cellular
constituents of the alimentary tract having thyromimetic or thyroid
inhibitory properties, is a better hypothesis for the effects seen."
- Re: MMS, Iodine & Thyroid Hveragerthi
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,384,957Yes, chlorine is an Iodine antagonist. Same reason that chlorinated water decreases thyroid function. By antagonizing the Iodine there is less Iodine available for thyroid hormone formation.
- Re: MMS, Iodine & Thyroid alive76
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,384,975Just to point out:
We're talking about Chlorine DIOXIDE - not chlorine. (MMS)
I would never drink chlorine. :)
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This is a reply to # 1,384,982It would be pretty hard to drink chlorine as it is a gas. In fact so is chlorine dioxide. This is the same exact gas used to disinfect the municipal water supplies. It has a much higher saturation rate than chlorine gas which is why it is used to chlorinate water. So people could save a lot of money by bottling up their own tap water. Although they would still have to deal with the toxic side effects.
And by the way, chlorine dioxide in water still displaces Iodine and therefore interferes with thyroid function.
By the way, there are various chlorine compounds collectively known as chlorine even though they are not all gases.
You should also look in to the production of trihalomethanes (THMs) through the reaction of chlorine dioxide on organic material. THMs are highly toxic carcinogens, and can form in to other hazardous compounds such as phosgene. THMs from chlorine dioxide, but not chlorine gas, have also been linked to birth defects, spontaneous abortions, an stillbirths.
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This is a reply to # 1,384,988"And by the way, chlorine dioxide in water still displaces Iodine and therefore interferes with thyroid function."
If this indeed is the case, I'm absolutely baffled.
Could it really be that the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement community (which is quite large) have completely overseen such a vital factor?
Just as shame we will probably never see any serious scientific work done with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in general.
Until then, we'll have to rely on anecdotal evidence.
Just surprises me that this has not come up before.
At least, I have not seen it.
I'm glad I'm taking Iodine. Looks like I'll be upping my dosage. :)
- Re: MMS, Iodine & Thyroid Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,385,005As I pointed out chlorine dioxide is the EXACT same thing used to chlorinate municipal water systems. I believe that one of the reasons that hypothyroidism is on the rise is due to the chlorination and fluoridation of the municipal water systems. Chlorine, fluorine, and bromine are all halogens like iodine. More reactive halogens, like chlorine, will displace a less reactive halogen, like iodine. This was taught to us back in high school chemistry. Here is a link for you explaining this principle:
http://www.gcsescience.com/pt26.htm
Here are some studies for you that show that chlorine dioxide can suppress thyroid function:
http://www.find-health-articles.com/rec_pub_4009737-effects-chlorine-dioxide-...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3761383?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.P...
http://vfu-www.vfu.cz/acta-vet/vol68/pdf/68_191.pdf
Chlorinated products like this have been around for a long time. All of them that I have seen have gone by the wayside. For example I have not seen Vital Ion or Eu d' Vie in about 10 years or so. I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that people are catching on to the possible adverse effects. Do you realize that some of the most poisonous compounds on earth are chlorinated compounds? For example phosgene and nerve agents.
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This is a reply to # 1,385,016The reason water municipals are switching from Chlorine to Chlorine dioxide is because Chlorine is much more harmful.
Chlorine reacts with contaminants in the water forming carcinogens.
The second link you gave says.
after 8 wk of treatment T4 levels rebounded to above pretreatment levels, coinciding with an increase in thyroid radioiodide uptake. This T4 rebound phenomenon and increased Iodide uptake may be due to a compensatory endocrinological mechanism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3761383?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.P...
Still no proof that Chlorine Dioxide displaces Iodine the way Chlorine does.
Any chemical in the body could be oxidized in the body including t4 by a strong oxidizer.
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- Good point! cwk-mms
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This is a reply to # 1,385,043
"The reason water municipals are switching from Chlorine to Chlorine dioxide is because Chlorine is much more harmful."
A very good point! It is not likely that they would switch from one thing (chlorine) to another thing (Chlorine dioxide) if there was no significant difference between the two.
In this recent November 2008 video, Jim Humble makes the point that Chlorine Dioxide has a very narrowly-targeted affinity for only oxidizing anerobic (oxygen-averse) stuff like anerobic bacteria and anerobic cancer cells.
I don't think that Iodine or thyroid T4 are anerobic.
- cwk- Re: Good point! SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,385,129Hello Cwk,
While Jim Humble has some ideas on how chlorine dioxide works, he hasn't been able to bring forward any evidence that his ideas are correct. I, and others, have repeatedly asked him how he came to the conclusion that chlorine dioxide is selective in the bacteria it kills, and he remains unresponsive.
Looking further into this, I find that chlorine dioxide is registered with the EPA as both a disinfectant and a sterilizer. I believe to qualify as a sterilizer, it has to be able to remove at least 99.9% of all bacteria in 5 minutes. The concentrations listed for the products that provide this vary from 3 - 500 PPM chlorine dioxide, with most in the 25 - 100 PPM range.
I actually contacted a testing laboratory to see if they would run some tests with "good" bacteria and chlorine dioxide. They told me that I would be wasting my money. Good bacteria is easy to kill off and requires much less of a concentration of chlorine dioxide than bad bacteria, in most cases. One of the hardest bacteria to kill with chlorine dioxide is Mycobacterium bovis which is tuberculosis. With chlorine dioxide it requires 500 PPM for 10 minutes for a 99.9999% kill.
I tried to figure out how I could test this for myself and decided that the bacteria that form yogurt are beneficial. If I could add some chlorine dioxide solution to my yogurt starter and still form yogurt, that would prove that Jim Humble was correct.
Unfortunately, I was unable to make yogurt when chlorine dioxide was added. I did fine with just citric acid , but when an activated sodium chlorite solution was added I was unable to make yogurt.
When I passed my test methods and results to Jim Humble asking him why the good bacteria was being killed off, he remained unresponsive.
My conclusion is that the people who manufacture, use, and test these products daily know more about this topic than Jim Humble does. This is also backed up by my efforts at testing.
You may want to consider doing your own round of testing, or finding a laboratory to do the tests for you. I think it was only going to cost a few hundred dollars to have the tests done, and that would give you a better understanding on how chlorine dioxide works with bacteria.
On the topic of iodine, this was studied in some clinical trials with humans. They noticed some variations when the people were taking water with higher levels of chlorine dioxide in it (5 PPM), but in the final analysis the variation was determined to be insignificant. This study only ran for 12 weeks, so we don't have any data on long term effects.
Tom
- My MMS test & evidence will be... cwk-mms
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This is a reply to # 1,385,224
Yes, solid scientific tests/proof are all well and good, but millions of $$ of supposed "solid scientific tests" and an FDA stamp of approval all said that Cymbalta would be a great new anti-depressant drug, and yet, myself and many others who initially tried Cymbalta got as sick as dogs within hours of their very first dose of it.
So, so much for "legitimate scientific" tests.
Thus, my MMS test & evidence will be, do I personally get better from the MMS, and do I personally consistently experience die-off reactions from the MMS.
Until then, the success stories/testimonies I read here will keep me enthused about MMS.
Tom, can I assume that you have personally experienced or else personally observed in others some success stories from MMS use?
- cwk
- Re: My MMS test & evidence will be..... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,385,250Hello Cwk,
I have observed improvements in people taking activated sodium chlorite solutions, and have also observed improvements in people taking Antibiotics ...
Both destroy both good and bad bacteria in the GI tract.
Tom - Re: My MMS test & evidence will be..... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,385,250There is a big difference between the fact that the FDA approved Cybalta and you being asked to do your own research. It has been known for 30 years or so that there are over 150 FDA officials that own stock in the pharmaceutical companies they regulate in violation of Federal insider trading laws. So the FDA looks the other way when the drug companies falsify or manipulate their studies to get approval. You are being asked to do your own non-manipulated test to prove this fact for yourself. If there is no financial motive for your you to be proven wrong then you should have no problem in performing such a simple experiment. Think of all the people you can save here by reporting the facts when you find them out. Apparently whoever originally claimed that chlorine dioxide only killed anaerobic, but not aerobic, bacteria was lying.
- Re: My MMS test & evidence will be..... SilverFox
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- My MMS test & evidence will be... cwk-mms
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- Re: Good point! Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,385,129They are not switching from chlorine to chlorine dioxide in municipal water systems. They have always used chlorine dioxide. And it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with safety. Chlorine dioxide gas is 10 times more soluble in water than chlorine gas. Simple economics and effectiveness.
The claim that chlorine dioxide has a narrow activity only on anaerobic cells is total BS!!! A simple search will show you that chlorine dioxide is used to kill aerobic bacteria is a host of different industries including seafood production, chicken farming, sewage treatment, etc. And it has even been tested for dentistry and found to kill aerobic bacteria even in very dilute concentrations:
http://iadr.confex.com/iadr/2008Toronto/techprogram/abstract_105534.htm
This is why I hate so many of the alternative medicine websites. They lie through their teeth giving out false information that comes back on the industry with more regulations and a reputation for being dishonest. These are the bad apples that give our whole industry a bad name!!!
- Re: Good point! SilverFox
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- Good point! cwk-mms
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- OK Fine, whatever, i'll chance it an... cwk-mms
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This is a reply to # 1,385,016
Just like anything else in life, the devil here is in the details, more specifically, in the dose level details. I'd like to see someone do the math here comparing the dose levels of the chlorine dioxide that was given to the lab rats in your cited study here with the dose levels of chlorine dioxide taken by people according to the Jim Humble protocol. If it turns out that the lab rats in your cited study were given doses 1,000 times that taken by people according to the Jim Humble protocol, then i'd say that those lab rat studies of chlorine dioxide & thyroid function are quite worthless. After all, I suspect that lab rats will get really messed up if they are given 1,000 times more aspirin or 1,000 times more Tylenol or 1,000 times more Motrin or 1,000 times more Prozac than humans normally take at one sitting.
Also, keep in mind that, according to Jim Humble, the MMS/chlorine dioxide does NOT accumulate in human tissues, and any unused/unneeded MMS in the body will turn into about a grain of harmless table salt.
It seems to me that MMS usage is reaching a critical mass of regular users that de facto attests to the inherent safety of MMS; as for me, i'll "chance it" and use the MMS, because nothing else on this planet that I have tried has yet helped me alleviate what I believe to be my lifelong systemic Candida problem, which has caused my lifelong depression/anxiety/OCD problem.
For MMS, just like for EVERY treatment, whether it be a natural/herbal treatment or a pharmaceutical treatment, it is always going to come down to safe versus unsafe dosing levels, and you may be getting concerned about unrealistic excessive dosing levels of MMS that NO ONE will EVER come close to taking. Guess what, if you or I take a whole bottle of aspirin or a whole bottle of Prozac in one sitting, we are gonna die or else be very very sick. Guess what, when some stupid college kid drinks three large bottles of vodka in one night, he/she will die or else be very very sick.
Am I making my point here? For MMS, just like as for alcohol, or Motrin, or Prozac, or even bananas, it comes down to a question of REALISTIC DOSING LEVELS, period.
I will agree with you that CHLORINE and FLUORIDE should be entirely eliminated from all drinking water, but MMS is neither chlorine or fluoride, and I think that when you publically post here about chlorine and fluoride and phosgene and nerve agents and MMS all in the same breath, you are being wildly reckless and irresponsible, so please stop it. If you can produce a study of humans (not rats) who have taken Jim Humble-recommended levels (not 1000x levels) of chlorine dioxide (not chlorine, not phosgene) then let's see it, otherwise, you have no case.
By the way, I cannot take any natural supplements that contain excessive amounts of kelp, because the iodine in the kelp aggravates my hyper-ish anxiety, that is, the kelp (in concentrated artificially high amounts) uncomfortably stimulates me. Does that mean that Iodine is all bad all the time in any amounts for anyone? I don't think so.
You said above:
"More reactive halogens, like chlorine, will displace a less reactive halogen, like iodine."
Uh, excuse me but, why in the hell are you even posting about "chlorine" here, which is NOT what activated MMS is (activated MMS is chlorine dioxide). That is exactly what I mean about you posting here in a reckless and irresponsible and misleading and pseudo-intellectual manner, and you need to stop it.
If I may ask, what exactly is your own major health problem that you are trying to remedy naturally by being here? Why are you here?
- cwk
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This is a reply to # 1,385,113Although I do not totally agree with the tone, yet understand the frustration, I do agree with the overall message of cwk's post and would like to remind the Hveragerthi poster that this is the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement SUPPORT forum, not the DEBATE forum.
- Sometimes unfortunately a spade has ... cwk-mms
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This is a reply to # 1,385,124
I deliberately went with a harsh condemning tone above because I suspect that the Hveragerthi poster has a hidden (possibly financial) agenda to wreck MMS's reputation, and sometimes one just cannot pussy-foot around with or be pleasant with insidious (i'll say it, evil) crap like that.
There are paid agents of big pharma (typically conventional retired MD's) who use the web to publically disparage effective rising star natural remedies that may ultimately compete with big pharma-type products. I am new to here, but I have seen this familar pattern elsewhere, and Jim Humble is always warning us to beware of such. In Jim Humble's November 2008 video, he tells the story of someone who actually got his legs blown off for promoting an effective natural product that competed with a big pharma product.
Hveragerthi could be either a paid agent of big pharma, or else a paid agent or owner of some natural remedy company whose natural anti-Candida remedy business (there are many such natural anti-Candida remedy businesses out there) could be wiped out by MMS. If MMS lives up to what I have been reading about it here, every other natural anti-Candida remedy business now out there (such as Three-Lac) is going to be utterly destroyed.
Never underestimate the capacity of any existing established business to do ANYTHING to protect its market share from a superior competitor.
It is unfortunate, but we must always be vigilant for evil crap like that.
- cwk- Re: Sometimes unfortunately a spade ... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,385,152ROTFLMOA!!! Why is it that every time I point out false claims being made about a "health" product or a safety concern that I must be a pharmaceutical plant? Does Miracle-Mineral-Supplement also make people paranoid? I have been working with alternative medicine for over 18 years. And I spend a lot of time trying to correct myths, misconceptions and outright lies because all it takes is one false claim to have the FDA come down on us with more regulations.
If people want to sell Miracle-Mineral-Supplement I can care less as long as they are honest about effectiveness, side effects, interactions, etc. The fact that I have seen so many false claims already that have already been disproven sends up some real red flags to me.
By the way, if you would have taken the time to read my numerous other posts on these boards you would have known that I am very much anti-pharmaceutical. In fact I have not taken a pharmaceutical drug in 19 years. And that was only 1 ibuprofen because my friend would not shut up until I did. I was running a 107F fever with the measles. Prior to that I had not taken a pharmaceutical drug in 9 years, which was just an Antibiotic shot for an upper respiratory infection.
Maybe if you spent less time whining and complaining and more time researching what you are talking about before posting then you would be posting facts instead of assumptions and we could move on! - Re: Sometimes unfortunately a spade ... iloveamma
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This is a reply to # 1,385,152I just want you to know you are great!..although I am also new here, I am glad you came!
I enjoy your posts! - Re: Sometimes unfortunately a spade ... BalancedStep
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This is a reply to # 1,385,152Quote:
Never underestimate the capacity of any existing established business to do ANYTHING to protect its market share from a superior competitor.
It is unfortunate, but we must always be vigilant for evil crap like that.
So true - it stuns me every time how utterly deceitful some humans can be just for their own advantage because I would never think that way. There's so much more Conspiracy out there than the average person will ever know!
- Re: Sometimes unfortunately a spade ... Hveragerthi
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- Re: OK Fine, whatever, i'll chance i... alive76
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This is a reply to # 1,385,124Well, I guess I'm to blame for bringing it up in the first
place.
I never post in the Debate forum. Its way too crowded with people I clearly see as quasi-agents (knowing or not knowing) for TPTB.
There are a few good men in there, though. Like SilverFox.
Luckily, he posts in this forum, too. 
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