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Girl brain damaged after parents refuse medical help
Christine Flatley | December 16, 2008 - 4:56PM
An alternative medicine devotee will spend six months behind bars for causing his sick daughter brain damage by refusing to take her to hospital.
The Brisbane District Court was told on Tuesday the 11-year-old had been suffering from a heart infection for two weeks before her 45-year-old father finally took her to hospital.
She was gravely ill when she was admitted to Toowoomba Base Hospital in September 2006.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/girl-brain-damaged-after-pare...
Her temperature was 42 degrees celsius, she had been hallucinating and was weak, pale and could no longer walk.
The court was told her mouth was peeling, black and clogged from the alternative medicine her father had been giving her in extremely high doses.
The doctor who finally examined the 11-year-old said in a report the girl was as "sick as the sickest person I've ever seen in 35 years".
Prosecutor Belinda Merrin said it was the father's distrust of conventional medicine that had caused him to delay seeking treatment.
Instead, he had been relying on the glyconutrient dietary supplement M****tech to cure his daughter.
A psychologist report tendered in court said the father's belief in M****tech bordered on "obsessive" and that he had an "exaggerated view of his own knowledge and ability" about health treatments.
He had been giving her so much M****tech it had stuck to her teeth and clogged her mouth.
The father also suffered impaired judgment because of a brain injury he suffered in the mid-1990s.
The court was told the girl's mother asked him on a number of occasions to seek medical treatment, but had not pushed the issue for fear her estranged partner would deny her access to her children.
When the girl was admitted to hospital she underwent an emergency heart bypass and valve replacement.
She spent some time in a coma after surgery because of bleeding on the brain, and it was a year before she was eventually allowed to go home.
She now uses a wheelchair and has reduced vision and severe, ongoing cognitive and fine motor skills.
The court was told she may never walk unaided again.
The father pleaded guilty to one count of grievous bodily harm.
He was sentenced to three years' jail, but will be released on parole after serving six months.
The mother has pleaded guilty to a charge of child cruelty.
She was sentenced to 12 months' jail but release immediately on parole.
None of the family members can be identified.
AAP
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/girl-brain-damaged-after-pare...
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That is a tragic story. Though the father certainly made a tragic mistake and it appears obvious that his actions led to very serious and permanent harm, one can hardly fault him or anyone else for being leery of mainstream medicine, which kills and inures by the thousands daily.
One reason the story of a single person being harmed from inappropriate use of a herbal supplement is the fact that it is so unusual. Greater still is how rare it is for properly taken supplments to cause serious harm, much less death.
On the other hand, deaths and serious reactions due to properly prescribed and taken medications hardly causes a ripple because they happen by the tens and hundreds of thousands. Death and harm from all mainstream sources happen by the several hundreds of thousands.
In the first three months of this year alone, the Food and Drug Administration received nearly 21,000 reports of serious drug reactions, including more than 4,800 deaths. Actual reports are considered to be but a fraction of actual events. Total iatrognenic deaths due to modern medicine are over 250,000 per year by the American Medical Associations own estimate with millions more serious adverse events.
Put in context, we could see thousands of stories daily about death and serious injury due to mainstream medicine.
Now THERE is a story to report: Supplements and natural treatments harm a relative handful, approved medicine kills and seriously harms millions!
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,317,414Yes, that is the appropriate reply to that tragic story. It is too bad the father did not take the girl to mainstream doctors, but it is understandable why he did not.
In fact, he should have taken her to an alternative healer, at least. His own brain injury was really at the root of this story - AND HE HAD BEEN TREATED BY MAINSTREAM DOCTORS for that brain injury, and they didn't help him did they? Of course, brain injury is often untreatable.
It was NOT the alternative treatment that harmed the girl, it was her heart infection. She needed some other treatment. It is interesting that despite shovelling this M-Stuff down her throat, it did not cause any toxicity.
Here is one more stat you will like Dq:
"Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs"
Link - http://www.truthout.org/111208HA
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This is a reply to # 1,317,453Perhaps we could have saved a great many more lives at a much smaller cost by declaring a war on dangerous medications and invading the drug companies labs.
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This is a reply to # 1,317,414I am just curious...where do these numbers about perscription deaths and adverse reactions come from?
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I am just curious...where do these numbers about perscription deaths and adverse reactions come from?
Ultimately, the FDA's Adverse Event Reporting Database, but my sourse was MSNBC. It was also reported in USA Today and numerous other publications.
By the Journal of the American Medical Association's own estimates, doctors and drugs are the third leading cause of death in the United States. Others, including myself, contend that they are actually the leading cause or second leading cause when unreported deaths and mis-reported deaths are taken into account (for example, when someone dies from radiation or other treatments and drugs the cause is often listed as cancer or other original diagnosed disease) and when death occurs due to a condition caused by side effects from mainstream drugs.
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This is a reply to # 1,317,972Raynbo - just Google "legal illegal drug deaths" and see what comes up
I found this one by doing that - From the N.Y.Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/us/14florida.html
Quote:
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An analysis of autopsies in 2007 released this week by the Florida Medical Examiners Commission found that the rate of deaths caused by prescription drugs was three times the rate of deaths caused by all illicit drugs combined."
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This is a reply to # 1,317,392...is that this man relied upon one product in attempting to heal and restore his precious child. He didn't have the knowledge to successfully heal her...but she could have been healed without allopathic medicine and surgery, and she could likely still be totally restored.
Dr. Schulze actually repaired vascular/valve deformities to his heart when allopathic medicine told him his heart & vascular/valve deformities would never allow him to live to adulthood.
There are herbs that would have bolstered her body to kill the infection (echinacea); cayenne would have ensured circulation throughout her heart & brain (as well as staunched any internal bleeding); lobelia to squelch any spasms or constrictions; hydrotherapy properly utilized can induce a fever (to fight infection) or eliminate a dangerous fever...as well as regulate & restore circulation to various organs and areas of the body.
Both Dr. Schulze & Dr. Christopher (and their teachers & mentors before them) successfully cured MS, MD, ALS and all variety of heart & brain damage, neurological illnesses & deficits.
This child never needed allopathic medicine; this child needed her well-meaning father to have more knowledge.
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This is a reply to # 1,317,392Although it is true there are many more cases of 'modern' medicine claiming the lives of people, this man acted stupidly and irresponsibly -- not to mention he was too egotistical to admit he could not help her with what tools and knowledge he had available. The other parent also acted stupidly and cowardly and allowed this man to 'mis'treat her daughter when it was obvious to anyone who looked at her she was gravely ill, and dying.
It almost sounds as if people are condoning him because he used 'herbs'. He is no more less irresponsible or stupid than people who just blindly gulp down whatever a doctor hands them to take without questioning or doing any research on it themselves. Possibly even MORE so, since he could not bother to search beyond his own knowledge base and call in a professional to help when it was quite obvious he was out of his league.
He should get more than six months in jail, in my opinion.
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This is a reply to # 1,317,983you cant jail people for their beliefs. well, you can but what good does that do?
the man was brain damaged. somebody coulda been looking closer and caring more. the fact is, this story isnt about alternative health fanatics or how well M****tech works. its about the poor and ignorant and disabled in western culture falling through the cracks. it is also about how disabled we have been made through food and environment yet can still have the appearance of functionality.
these situations dont spring forth from the head of zeus full grown, they are created, over time, by all of us.
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This is a reply to # 1,317,392the important part of this story is that whatever your beliefs, this guy exhibited poor judgement whether it was due to whatever nebulous injury he suffered in the past that the article refers to, or plain stubbornness.
He should have gotten help.
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I think the story serves as an important lesson for us here at CureZone in that it demonstrates tragically how blind belief in herbs, supplements or other alternatives can be dangerous when blindly applied to a serious or worsening condition without the knowledge and/or experience to know what one is doing.
Ideally a qualified naturopath with full diagnostic equipment and abilities should be consulted, but at the very least one should have a qualified medical professional, mainstream or not, give a professional diagnosis. Once that has happened, you will likely be armed with good knowledge of what you are dealing with, or at least rule out things you are likely not dealing with, and then you can better decide which mainstream or alternative treatments may be best.
I would also caution anyone who comes to this site that regardless of the good intentions here and regardless of the fact that there are a lot of very knowledgeable alternative healing proponents here, the best any of us can offer over the internet is long distance guesswork. There simply is no subsitute for a professional diagnosis, especially for potentially serious conditions. Knowing what you are likely dealing will enable both yourself and those of us at CureZone to be able to make better informed decisions about how you might best proceed.
Now, back to the story. Probably 99% of the distribution of this story is in mainstream publications and not in alternative health communities such as this one - and it is a good lesson in mainstream venues as well if it results in a more cautious and sensible approach fo those who read it. It is only too bad that all the thousands of times as many deaths and mistakes due to approved drugs and mainstream treatments do not get the coverage they deserve so that the uninformed could exercise better caution about mainstream medicine too.
Likewise it is too bad that mainstream medicine and the mainstream media they largely control has not suppressed true information and knowledge about natural and alternative healing for generations so that so many are forced to proceed blindly when seeking help outside the mainstream box.
DQ
Please note: Although I say "us" above, I should point out that in many areas I consider myself a mere fledgling compared to some here. I came here to learn and share and learning is something I continue to get a bit more of each day.
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This is a reply to # 1,318,191Good points DQ, but also consider this approach when we get sick:
First go to the medical [mainstream]Doctor to get a DIAGNOSIS, and listen to his treatment advice, but then consider some alternative treatments if the situation is not dire. The Doc often puts things in perspective.
Alternative therapies should be tried FIRST because the pharmaceutical interventions often "spoil the playing field" so that the gentler alternative treatments cannot be effective.
[99% of illnesses do not need urgent treatment]
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I agree completely. For at least 6000 years man has used a nature first approach in treating illness. Thanks mostly to improved hygeine and better nutrition great strides were made against illness. While not discounting the role of antibiotics, in general a the mainstream approach of prescribing drugs which largely treat symptoms has only led to little true healing and increased illness in the long run.
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Really this is not good. Medical help is must for the children and people who are suffering from the brain injury!! We can get much information from the below link and also there are many websites giving much information on the brain injury help.
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