21st flush, HUGE stone out, now hemo... 
JT
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This was my 21st cleanse, and I have passed probably 2500 stones of various sizes in that last year and one half, but this time, I passed a HUGE stone, or group of stones stuck together, it was somewhat hard to tell. It hurt a lot to pass it, and now I am pretty freaked out and need some advice on what to do next. I passed probably about another 40-50 smaller stones during this flush too, as well as lots of chaff and bile. The next part gets a little graphic, so sqeamish folk may want to stop reading now.....
The "mega stone" was about 2 1/2 inches in diameter, it was huge, medium green on the outside, and dark green on the inside. It was extrememly waxy. Because of the sheer size and waxiness, which made it vey dry, it hurt like *heck* to pass this stone out, and now I have a horrible bout of bleeding hemmorroids as a result. At one point, it was so stuck, it just would not come out, it just stopped, halfway out of my butt. After about 20 minutes of trying, I thought I was going to pass out from the strain and the pain. Just when I thought all was lost, I felt a huge wave of heat & cold sweat pass over me, and then, a huge 'explosion' like sound in my gut (it sounded like a war zone)....and then this thing literally shot out of me with about a cup of very dark bile and about 10 smaller stones.
I had used the usual Clark regime, but with the Lewis oil amounts (using 1 pint olive oil taken 1/4 cup at a time over 2 hours). Before this flush, I never exceeded 1 1/2 cups of olive oil at one time before, and I am wondering if this might have been a factor?
I want to keep up the cleanses, but I am now a bit timid to do another after the stuck stone & hemorroid event. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Here are my questions:
1.) Is it even possible to make a stone of this size, in the liver or gallbladder? It is my understanding that the ducts are pretty small in diameter, how could I have passed something this big out of the ducts?
2.) Is there anything I can do to make sure that any future stones do not get stuck again,so the hemorroides won't get inflamed?
Thanks- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... Fil
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This is a reply to # 128,648Hi JT, first of all congratulations!! Wherever that stone came from, it is far better out than in!! The fact that it was followed by a cupful of dark green bile is an indicator that it was definitely blocking somewhere that stores bile. Off, toxic bile is dark green. Fresh bile is pale yellow and like a gel and has no smell. I suspect you will feel so much better after this. Your experience is similar to my first flush when I also drank the full 2 cups of oil over 2 hours. The flood of toxic bile and stones that came out of me and the resultant radical improvment in my health still amazes me 7 years later and I never tire of telling people my story (when they want to listen!)!!
Sorry to hear about your hemorrhoides bleeding. When you say the stone was half way out of your butt, do you mean it was sticking out of your anus? If so, why didn't you pull it out and save yourself all that straining? In future, you could try an enema to flush the stones out. I have done this before. It's not quite as satisfying in a funny kind of way but it certainly cleans everything out. Make sure you lubricate the pipe before inserting it to avoid inflaming anything.
Once again, congratulations!!! Perhaps best to rest for a while and let your body recover.
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- Wow! Southern Belle
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MoreThis is a reply to # 128,648What a story! I loved reading that. Why don't you try a little Bentonite clay on those hemoroids--making a paste of the Bentonite powder and a liquid. That might help.
One question I have, JT. Did you always have a successful flush each time you completed a liver flush?
Again, congratulations!!
Good luck and good health!
Paulette G.
- Re: Wow! JT
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MoreThis is a reply to # 128,651yes, succesful in that I passed stones, lessoned the pain in that area as well as improving my allergies (hives) quite a bit. This was not immediate though, as doing a flush always makes the hives worse for a few days, but long term, progress is being made.Thanks for the tip on the clay, I will give it a try!
- Re: Wow! JT
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- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... Dasha
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This is a reply to # 128,648OK, my first thought was did you use Epsom Salts ? That might help you in the future being as how it seems to force things out of us at a faster rate. If you didn't use the Epsom Salts , be grateful it didn't get stuck because a stone that size could probably have gotten you a trip to the emergency room!
As for the size, yes that is possible and has happened to others. Blueduck from this forum passed a stone that was so big it barely fit into a baby food jar! She was kind enough to send the photo to my e-mail and boy was it a whopper!
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- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... JT
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This is a reply to # 128,652Yes, I used the standard 4 tbls of Epsom Salts , 2 tbls in 3/4 c water, two doses before the oil, and then another two doses the morning after.
I learned that early in the flush process, without the Epsom Salts , it is a much rougher passing. Funny thing, I did not feel any pain in passing this stone during the night, not even a twinge, which other smaller stones have done before. Not sure why this one was so massive, and why it got stuck so bad.....usually the morning epsom doses keeps things moving along just fine, but I have noticed, with the Lewis amounts ( 1 pint) the stones come out later in the morning, usually about 3 hours after my last dose, so the effect of the epsom is wearing off.
Anyone ever try a third Epsom Salt dose the following morning?
- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... JT
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- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... Julia
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This is a reply to # 128,648I have only done 4 flushes so I am not so experienced with stones myself, but I do know a little about hemmorroids. I had a "lovely" one after I gave birth to my son. The midwife gave me witch hazel pads. My hemmorroid was small and not bleeding but it was uncomfortable. The witch hazel brought a great deal of relief! If you can not find already made pads, you could probably just get a bottle of witch hazel and make your own pads with gauze or something. It is a very refreshing feeling- takes away the burning and itching, atleast for awhile!
Good luck and congratulations on getting that nastiness out of your body and into the toilet where it belongs!!!Advertisement
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- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... UserX
22 y
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This is a reply to # 128,648Great flush!
I think that stone have been clumped together inside your intestines.
Another man, age 50 something, suffering from cancer, passed stones size of a pear, but when carefuly analyzed, you could see that that large stone was actually composed of many smaller stones, most likely clumped together inside intestines (the same way our feces get shaped/formed ....)
The amount of stones that he passed that time, more then a cup, was significantly more then the amount of oil that he took (1/2 cup), prooving that stones are not formed from olive oil.
For hemorroids, take one leaf of cabbage, roll it, lubricate it with olive oil and insert it in your anus. I heard that it is the best cure for hemorroids.
Also, try to eat only soups and soft food, avoid bread, and avoid any slighest constipation for at least 1 week, as it may take several days for hemorroids to heal ...
Agnes- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... JT
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This is a reply to # 128,675Thanks, Agnes, I am wondering if it was a 'clump' of smaller stones too, because, as I mentioned in another reply, I felt no pain in the night passing this,not even a twinge.
I think I am going to try more Epsom Salts the next morning and maybe do an enema too. But, I can't even think about another flush until this bout of 'roids is completely on the mend, I think sometime next month will be he next - Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... #162425
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- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... JT
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- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... lovetobehealthy
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I loved your story, it was fascinating.
For your hemorrhoid problem you might want to try Boiron homeopathic "Hamamelis", I have had great results from this. Also there is a pretty good Hylands Homeopathic combination remedy for hemorrhoids too. I have also used a Chinese medicine formulated for hemorroids, cant remember the name but it is in the catalog from East Earth Trade Winds. It worked fabulously in just a couple of days, and they never came back.
Elizabeth.- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... JT
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This is a reply to # 128,678thanks, I am cutting and pasting your suggestions into a note for my next shopping trip to the health store!
- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... JT
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- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... kya
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This is a reply to # 128,648Don't let this one experience set up back, just for a hint in case you should find yourself sitting there with this problem someother time.
Don't strain and push too much you can cause some other problems in your intestines. This may sound yucky, but if you reach down between your legs as you are sitting, and press on the tissue between your privates and your anus, anything stuck there will slide right out. Some people don't have enough secretions and things don't move properly. Or things are too big to get lubed.
Good luck!- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... JT
22 y
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This is a reply to # 128,681Thanks, that is a great tip, to push in the area that you suggested if anything like that ever happens again.
It was definately a lubrication problem, as it was just too big and waxy compared to a regular movement.
Not to be too graphic, but I did try what another poster suggested, which was to try to reach up there and attempt to yank it out, but it was too big, and too stuck....
I wonder if applying some vaseline or ky jelly might also help to keep the area lubricated?
- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... JT
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- we'll need an update Tracey
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This is a reply to # 128,648Hi JT. Woweeeee. Everyone here would love to hear about how you feel health-wise in the coming weeks and months now that you got that huge thing out of you! (woah) Please don't forget to post and tell us!
- Progress so far. and other factors: ... JT
22 y
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This is a reply to # 128,692Progress so far, after this flush, and a few more factors that I did not mention in my original post
1.) Progress with chronic hives.
Hives kicked up big time after this flush, for about 3 days, but have since subsided. This happens to some degree after each flush, sometimes more than others, but, outbreaks between flushes have greatly improved in the 1 1/2 years since I have been doing this program.I really think cleansing the liver is good to do with chronic hives, which I suffer from.
2.) Pain in right rib area back
After this flush, the pain in my right area is back a bit. That crampy, cholicky pain had stopped with flush 19-20, but now it is back.
I think this is because, when this mega stone, or clusters of stones came out, more have moved forward again. I am hoping the next flush will get this back in line again.
3.) Full moon factor
I am going to try do my next flush during the full moon in January, as I have also moticed that the flushes go much smoother doing it at the time of the full moon. More stones come out with less stress on my system. This last flush, btw, was not done during the full moon.
4.) Gua Sha
Another facotr, I did gua sha over my kidney and liver area the day before this last flush as an experiment. I just used olive oil and a smooth plastic spoon. All you do is rub a smooth object over an oiled area, if 'sha' is raised & toxins are present,the area gets beet red with small dots almost immediately. More info at this site below:
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- Hi JT Southern Belle
22 y
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This is a reply to # 128,723I am still reading your post and I am still amazed!
I am wondering one thing---What is your height and weight?
As far as Gua Sha, could you enlighten me a little? I am going to that website as soon as I finish writing this and will probably find the answer, but what kind of round object do you rub over the oiled area? In my mind, I am picturing a rock?
Good luck and keep those stones coming!
Paulette G.- Re: Hi JT JT
22 y
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This is a reply to # 128,725Height 5'9'', weight is about 186.
I gained about 20 lbs two years ago, which is partially why I wanted to try the cleanses, as well as for chronic hives. The cleanses have not helped the weight gain at all, but I think that is mainly because, after 5 years of following a low carb approach, I started eating a more 'normal' diet, and, for my body type, that does not seem to work. I gained weight very fast & then started having pain in the right rib area.
After the holidays, I am resolved to go back to this style of eating: less dairy, more lean protein, no refined carbs or sugar, more vegetables, some low Sugar fruit, as well as get into more aerobic shape.
As far as the Gua Sha tool, I just use a big molded plastic cooking spoon, the kind you use to stir & cook with. Make sure it has a smooth edge and is sturdy. The traditional Gua Sha tool is bone, specifically designed for this purpose, or the Chinese use ceramic soup spoons, but I had neither, so I tried it, and used regular olive oil and it works!
If you try it, beware that the raised sha can look *very very scary*, it does not hurt, but you look like you've been beaten. Don't plan on wearing any backless dresses or swimsuits, it takes about 3-6 days to go away. I had it first done, by a pro, about 20 years ago. He rubbed between my shoulder blades for about 4 minutes, with medium to light pressure, using a spoon & some olive oil. It did not hurt, either during or after, but it looked awful, I had two very dark red/brown stripes about 3 inces wide, 6 inches long on my back for about 5 days.
Also, a partner is helpful to do the back, I showed my husband how to do it, and he picked it up right away. If the area does not have any congested blood, you will not get any raised sha, no matter how much you rub. If the area has blood & chi congestion, you will get the dark red spots within less than a minute, without much effort at all, it is pretty neat to see.
The link that I gave gives a lot of info if you want to try it, good luck.
- Re: Hi JT JT
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- Hi JT Southern Belle
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- Progress so far. and other factors: ... JT
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- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... Scott Knudsen
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This is a reply to # 128,648Found this natural hemorrhoid remedy on the internet. I don't know if it works though. http://www.sheld.com/hemorrhoid/
- Re: 21st flush, HUGE stone out, now ... Fil
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