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My doctor put me on a special mineral increase due to lack of iron, copper and magnesium in my blood tests.
I followed "the book" and did not tell him I use Miracle-Mineral-Supplement .
Now I have to do a stint in hospital because my counts are worse than ever when they were supposed to improve,
My doctor took a urine test, (which has been orangeish) and he said the tests show that something is absorbing or disrupting the minerals and not letting them get into my blood where they are needed.
6 hours between Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and the mineral pills and cap.
Could Miracle-Mineral-Supplement be causing this?
I am worried that because I did not tell my doctor as the book says, and others here give that same advice, that the hospital will be looking for reasons and doing tests on me unnecessarily.
I feel I should take my MMS with me to the hospital and tell them but Jim say's don't tell doctors because they don't understand.
So I'm confused, My readings only went down since taking MMS and I do as they say here 15 drops 3 times a day with citric acid 75 drops in lemon juice for taste. I have lost 8 kilo's since stating and constantly suffer D and Nausea.
But my doctor say's I will not like how and what they will have to suppository as what I take orally is having no effect and they need to find out why.
They think I have a gastrointestinal disease that leads to significant malabsorption and will need to see a biophysicist.
Any advice will help as I go to hospital at Queenstown on the south Island Tuesday.
My MMS comes from MMS pacific.
The teaspoon i use to mix it with is rusted after 12 weeks is this normal also!
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They might be getting faulty readings due to the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in your system. So if you decide to continue with the doctors you should either quit the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement for now or tell them what you are doing.
If you are nauseas with constant D you are obviously taking to much Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . These symptoms are alarming the doctors and they may do the wrong thing because they don't know about the MMS.
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This is a reply to # 1,234,314Thank you John.
So I should drop back the dose of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement by times per day or amount of drops?
I am not on any drugs as yet and don't want to be if I can help it:
I have an iron, copper, and magnesium deficiency in the last 3 months since starting Miracle-Mineral-Supplement .
Doctor say's Iron deficiency means less oxygen is delivered to the cells as I understand and this can lead to fatigue.
My copper levels are also down and my doctor say's
"Everyone must absorb small amounts of copper every day because copper is essential for good health."
And my Magnesium is also low,
my doctor say's is mainly in the cells, but the body works very hard to keep blood levels of magnesium constant as Magnesium also helps regulate blood Sugar levels, promotes normal blood pressure.
So as you said John that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement will destroy drugs will it do the same to natural things like these, I wouldn't think so as MMS adds oxygen doesn't it.
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This is a reply to # 1,234,336So I should drop back the dose of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement by times per day or amount of drops?
JAB
It depends on why you are taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . I only would take it once a day so I could take my vitamins and minerals in the morning and Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in the evening.
Most take it 2 or three times a day. Do what works best for your situation.
I am not on any drugs as yet and don't want to be if I can help it:
I have an iron, copper, and magnesium deficiency in the last 3 months since starting MMS.
Doctor say's Iron deficiency means less oxygen is delivered to the cells as I understand and this can lead to fatigue.
JAB
Most people have to much iron as it is easily absorbed and plentiful in food.
My copper levels are also down and my doctor say's
"Everyone must absorb small amounts of copper every day because copper is essential for good health."
And my Magnesium is also low,
my doctor say's is mainly in the cells, but the body works very hard to keep blood levels of magnesium constant as Magnesium also helps regulate blood Sugar levels, promotes normal blood pressure.
So as you said John that MMS will destroy drugs will it do the same to natural things like these, I wouldn't think so as MMS adds oxygen doesn't it.
JAB
As I understand it, MMS is an oxidizer but it oxidizes with the chlorine dioxide ion not the oxygen. Two oxygen atoms are released but they have little effect other than to attach to hydrogen ions
making water or attach to a carbon ion to make carbon dioxide.
Sounds to me like you should supplement with bio available minerals and do it as far from the MMS doses as possible.
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Most people have to much iron as it is easily absorbed and plentiful in food.
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Are you serious? Don't answer unless you know what you are talking about, which you clearly don't. Iron is easily absorbed if you are healthy. If you are taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , you are clearly not healthy. Before you throw out advice, you might want to find out all the facts first. How fast does Miracle-Mineral-Supplement oxidize the iron, so at rate would you need to take more to balance it out? Shame on you, JAB.
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This is a reply to # 1,234,301Hello Icanhelp,
You may want to contact your poison control center...
I think what you are describing is classical ClO2 poisoning.
I would recommend:
stopping Miracle-Mineral-Supplement completely,
contacting your doctor and explain what you have been taking along with amounts so he can factor that into his diagnosis,
immediately start taking 2 grams of vitamin C a day by taking 500 mg four times a day for two days,
immediately eat a couple servings of yogart,
and immediately take a one a day vitamin and mineral supplement.
Be sure to inform your doctor that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is a 28% sodium chlorite (NaClO2) solution that you are activating with 10% citric acid . Also, tell him that the solution forms chlorus acid (HClO2) that breaks down inside your body to release ClO2. You can also offer that the chlorite formed during this process is the most toxic by product, and we think the half life is around two days. You can also mention that you have taken some vitamin C to knock down the residual chlorite levels.
The 15 drop dose three times a day uses a total of about 2.65 ml of sodium chlorite, so that will be of use to the doctor as well. If you doctor is aware of Acidified Sodium Chlorite technologies, you may also add that the 15 drop solution has around 600 PPM of available ClO2 in it, of which around 80 - 100 PPM is free ClO2.
You may want to consider putting off additional blood and urine testing until you see if this has any effect, but you will have to discuss this with your doctor.
If I may talk a moment about doctors...
Your doctor tries to take care of you. You present symptoms and he tries to determine what is going on. Your doctor is your partner in your health.
I think of entering into a relationship with a doctor kind of like getting married. You check the other person out and see if there is a good "fit." If there is, you open up and develop a trust relationship. I the fit is not good, you change doctors until you find a good "fit."
A doctor can not treat you with alternative treatments like Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . However, he can monitor you to see if you are experiencing any adverse side effects while you try different things.
Before you started taking MMS, it would have been very helpful to have had a series of blood and urine tests done to serve as a baseline of comparison. This is now water under the bridge, so you can use your recent tests as a baseline and go from there.
I feel that my health is my responsibility. I discuss decisions that I am considering with my doctor and trust him with my life. I trust him far more than I trust Jim Humble. I think Jim Humble gave you poor advice in telling you to keep this from your doctor.
ClO2 is a strong oxidizer and it does not surprise me that your spoon is rusty. If you use a larger glass, you can avoid using the spoon by simply swirling the mixture in the glass.
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Tom,
Thank you for that very good advice. If it were me in that situation, I'd definately do exactly what you say.
I'm also very glad you brought up the relationship between doctors and patients. Most of us have some choice in doctors but even if we don't like our doctors, we have to be responsible. Hiding something so major from your doctor who's trying to treat you makes me wonder why anyone would bother to go to the doctor at all.
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Thank you Tom,
I got a private email from biosafe because he said he has been banned from answering people on this forum which I find strange when reading the threads here, and he said basically exactly what you did, he said that the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is oxidising the metals and minerals that's why urine is yellow also. The amounts you quoted were nearly exactly the same to, so I think some are playing with other peoples health in regards to the bits per million amounts if they say it does not matter as I have read here.
Can anyone tell me why Jim say's not to tell your doctor because I will certainly be taking your and biosafe's advice, and I note the support you got from others for your answer to me which only confirms I should be talking to my doctor tomorrow.
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This is a reply to # 1,234,553Why exactly would Biosafe send you an email to say he has been banned?
You have not made many posts on curezone have you?
In fact you turned up 3 months ago when Biosafe was first banned to back him more than anyone else at the time and declared he had saved you from following Jim Humbles protocol.
This is what you said
"I can assure you I will not do the cancer trial now nor will I ingest it, but I will as biosafe suggested buy some 5% and use for a mouthwash, I explored it and in 2004 what biosafe recomends is the best mouthwash in the world say's the syposium of dentists in 2004, Neways which is amway use it and a lot of others.
I applaud biosafe as he has posted his phone number and business and email while others hide behind their numbers or fantasies, biosafe helped me, helped me wake up that the www (wild wild west) snake oil is Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . snake oil being false claims."
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1171139#i
and also this
"Who are you, if it wasn't for Bruce i would still be using my mms the wrong way, and so you know, not once did Bruce try to sell me anything but told me how using my mms to make a mouthwash, for my cold sores and uses around the home. So i use a lot more that i would have. What are you scared of, my nephew is an industrial chemist and confirmed what Bruce said is right, the encyclopedia must have agreed with him to,"
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The remainder of those posts and another of the seven posts you have made so far are
an attempt to support Biosafe.
So now you reappeaar when Biosafe has apparntly been banned from this forum again to declare that you are have been using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement at 3 x 15 drops a day activated with citric acid and with lemon juice added! for 90 days and have all the exact mineral problems that Biosafe warned about. You say you go by Jim Humbles Book!
Jim Humble clearly says that diarrhea should not be continuous or minerals will be lost. Why on earth would you think this was a good thing to do???
Also what prompted you to get blood tests for minerals in anycase
I had tests for these myself only when in hospital for diarrhea due to colitis and the main problem was low potassium.
Why are you asking for support on the debate forum in any case?
You have never asked for support on the support forum
You haven't said what you are treating that justified such a large amount of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement for such a long time not to mention how bizarre it is you are using it at all after you said in your previous posts and yet you continued with diarrhea for so long
So I'm afraid I find it hard to believe anything you are saying
It is all very very suspicious
Icanhelp is an interesting name. Maybe it should be IcanhelpBruce!
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Sent from biosafe to me:
you are rude and stupid.
Hello again,
how is my south seas pom friend. I'll bet it cold in NZ at the moment, while beautiful one day and perfect the next in Bris. Aust.
I thought you were not going to go through with the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement protocol, but I respect your choice to!
I believe you are taking in excess of 600 ppm of available ClO2 and 100 ppm of free plus.
The urine is that color due to oxidisation of the metals.
I strongly suggest you tell your doctor what you are doing and taking, for their benefit of diagnosing as much as yours from what you say they might do.
As you told me before and I told you, i still believe that Morgellons is a combination of ailments and medical Science still proves that.
I will go as far as saying it is very high in processed chemical drug users whose bodies have to push out the chemical crap some of those people inject.
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This is a reply to # 1,234,577Now that is even more suspicious
Why would he say he is sending you that privately when you didnt ask him a question on the board?
You havent helped yourself at all with that reply
I hope you can sort out whatever is wrong with you.
If you are still taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement I suggest you don't take it anymore if you can't do so safely
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This is a reply to # 1,234,570Because of my problems your criticism towards me for going ahead while biosafe respected my choice speaks for itself. It was my choice and yes it really helped my yeast problems but
it makes me sick, I still wonder why the book tells me 15 X 3 times is what to work for and you say it's not, what qualifications do you have. Biosafe refused to sell me any product equal to Miracle-Mineral-Supplement so I got it from an Miracle-Mineral-Supplement supplier who also confirmed 15 X 3 times a day.
And what book are you reading from because it is not Jim Humbles.
Allot of us just want the truth.
Will you go to this site and make your claims? biosafe does, I believe not because they know what they are talking about.
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According to your post you have been using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement at 15 x 3 drops a day for 12 weeks
Jim Humble in his book says you should keep below the nausea level and he never says you should comtinue despite prolonged diarrhea. Yet you say you suffered nausea and diarrhea continuously, Didn't you think this was a bad idea?
Why do you not check his sites for updates. He clearly says this on the protocol instructions on his site
"Note: If you notice diarrhea, or even vomiting that is not a bad sign. The body is simply throwing off poisons and cleaning itself out. Everyone says that they feel much better after the diarrhea. You do not have to take any medicine for the diarrhea. It will go away as fast as it came. It will not last. It is not real diarrhea as the body is just cleaning out, and it is not caused by bacteria or virus. When the poison is gone, the diarrhea is gone. However, you must not continue to take so much Miracle-Mineral-Supplement that it causes continued diarrhea or nausea. Keep reducing the dose until there is no diarrhea. You lose too much water and minerals and vitamins with continued diarrhea"
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This is a reply to # 1,234,589According to your post you have been using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement at 15 x 3 drops a day for 12 weeks
Jim Humble in his book says you should keep below the nausea level and he never says you should comtinue despite prolonged diarrhea. Yet you say you suffered nausea and diarrhea continuously, Didn't you think this was a bad idea?
Why do you not check his sites for updates. He clearly says this on the protocol instructions on his site
"Note: If you notice diarrhea, or even vomiting that is not a bad sign. The body is simply throwing off poisons and cleaning itself out. Everyone says that they feel much better after the diarrhea. You do not have to take any medicine for the diarrhea. It will go away as fast as it came. It will not last. It is not real diarrhea as the body is just cleaning out, and it is not caused by bacteria or virus. When the poison is gone, the diarrhea is gone. However, you must not continue to take so much Miracle-Mineral-Supplement that it causes continued diarrhea or nausea. Keep reducing the dose until there is no diarrhea. You lose too much water and minerals and vitamins with continued diarrhea"
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Good GRIEF!
Just look up dark urine. It could be a number of things! Liver, kidneys, gallbladder..serious complications...
Humble keeps changing protocols...he doesn't know much himself.
And the 'runs'? oh yes..it's cleaning out stuff for sure...the mms!
For humble to say to not tell doctors that one is taking that shite?
Horrible...doesn't that in it self say something?
Any honest and responsible herbalist, TCM doc, alternative healthcare provider encourages this..especially with serious illnesses and alternative medicines.
The more i find out about mms..and humble...the less credibility is found and the knowing that I will not ingest something like that.
Just as i would not risk taking high risk drugs that would do more harm than good.
Anyone deciding to do any treatments of any kind should get baseline tests...a complete blood chem for one... and tests thereafter to see if one is getting better and if harm is being done...or not.
And that goes for allopathic pharmaceuticals as well.
Responsible and caring docs do that and will if needed to be asked.
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This is a reply to # 1,234,685If you are going to use Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in large amounts for a prolonged period it would be a good idea to have blood tests done and I have said this before.
Dark urine is most commonly caused by dehydration which would be due to diarrhea
I don't know where Humble is supposed to have said stay away from doctors and don't tell them you are using it.
In fact he says you will need a doctor to administer the IV if you use it this way
You can't expect most doctors to agree with you using it though but this is mainly
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This is a reply to # 1,234,749Pleople stay away from Doctors because they are ingesting a toxic substance. Dah! What would you think?
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Diarrhea is not a good thing. The more toxins (MMS)you put in your body the more diarreha you will have until cut back to a non-toxic level. Diarrhea is not a good thing at all. Use some common sense. Of course anyone would feel better after diarrhea has stopped no matter what caused it. And, yes you are trowing off the toxins from Miracle-Mineral-Supplement as it is a known toxin.- Re: Minerals gone - Diarrhea can be ... jonsher_uk
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This is a reply to # 1,234,809That's funny. The known toxin theory again.
A lot of doctors ingest quite a lot of a known toxin
It's called alcohol. they particularly like to indulge whilst in medical training
The toxin bit doesn't bother them. I would tell my doctor I was using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement quite happily. I don't think he would know what I was talking about though and if he did I know his knowledge is limited. However his ability to organise tests and diagnose sometimes are very useful. I have recieved enough conflicting advice from doctors though to know I should educate myself and make my own decisions after weighing it all up. Frequently this has been against the doctors advice and was the right decision
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This is a reply to # 1,234,832Jonsher cleverly wrote:
"That's funny. The known toxin theory again.
A lot of doctors ingest quite a lot of a known toxin
It's called alcohol. they particularly like to indulge whilst in medical training
The toxin bit doesn't bother them"
So you sure aren't a doctor, how do you know how much each and everyone drinks? Is this the same across different countries, regions? What do you think, there bravey boy.
For all out there who actually want to learn facts rather than the ramblings of wah!
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Toxin
"toxin
(Science: pharmacology) A poison, frequently used to refer specifically to a protein produced by some higher plants, certain animals and pathogenic bacteria, which is highly toxic for other living organisms."
Such substances are differentiated from the simple chemical poisons and the vegetable alkaloids by their high molecular weight and antigenicity.
http://www.chemcases.com/alcohol/index.htm
'"Alcohol" is a generic name for large group of organic chemical compounds. They all are derivatives of hydrocarbons in which one or more of the hydrogen atoms have been replace by a hydroxyl (-OH) functional group. Hydrocarbons are compounds with contain hydrogen (H) and carbon (C) only. The hydroxyl group imparts particular properties to the radical to which it is attached."'
So, I'll let you go figure out what the molecular weight of ethyl alcohol is and can you understand there might be difference. Now, what was that molecular weight of ClO2....Advertisement
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