is liver flush a hoax? 
tiger_tiger
16 y
18,480
Hi everyone!
I am following curezone suggested Dr. Hulda Clark 's regimen. I have done my 4th Liver Flush recently, and all of them were successful. Every time I passed between 150-200 small stones, some was big 1/2 to 3/4". However, like most of us I did not go to test lab and have them checked out what they really were.
I was surfing through some other natural health sites and found that article about liver & gallbladder flush w/olive oil and lemon juice.
Web site owner is Bill Sardi (www.naturalhealthlibrarian.com) known as respectable natural health writer.
"Science exposes the mythical internet gall bladder flush remedies as bogus. This website offers the only legitimate gall bladder solution on the entire internet!
The "huge" gall stones reported being passed in this so-called gall bladder flush are not stones but rather chunks of a soapy material formed in the intestines by mixing the olive oil, lemon juice, and certain Epsom Salts . The combinations of the oleic acid (the major component of olive oil) and lemon juice actually produces the stones that this process is touted to expel. Actually, this "flush" is a bad idea. As these stones could get lodged in the duct causing even more problems."
Has anyone got any idea about that controversy? Anyone has lab test done?Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? telman
16 y
13,311
This is a reply to # 1,181,153Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
There is reams of post about this subject, here in this forum. The crucial piece of evidence is missing and there is little chance of proper experiments being carried out the explain exactly what going on. All you read are the polarised opinions of the opposing arguments.
However, there is a middle ground explanation which would indicate that aspects of both arguments may be correct. However, the "green stones" may not in fact be the centre argument here. It is undisputed that the modern lifestyle and diet causes the biliary system to grind to a halt: gallbladder stasis. The entero hepatic cholesterol cycle starts to fail and the result is biliary stasis. Does the Liver Flush restart these processes? and how long does that process take? These are two key questions.
If you actually have "true" Gallstones there are few option open to you; mainly surgery or flushing. I know from my own personal experience that among the large quantity of green stones there were 4 to 5 firm white stones. I have also seen Mercedes stones in the pictures posted in the galleries. However, I can't produce a theory based on uncontrolled evidence, so consequently, the arguments will continue.- Telman... San2006
16 y
12,128
This is a reply to # 1,181,271
Hey Telman:
good to see you in the debate forum. In fact I rarely see your posts in any other forum in CZ other than LF SUPPORT forum...
I must say you have worked hard towards your health. You have done Liver Flushing very religiously and documented your results. I openly speak against LFing( and ppl might hate me for that). But its not about winning or losing a debate but to find out the truth and root cause of a disease.
You said
<<<It is undisputed that the modern lifestyle and diet causes the biliary system to grind to a halt: gallbladder stasis. The entero hepatic cholesterol cycle starts to fail and the result is biliary stasis. Does the liver flush restart these processes? and how long does that process take? These are two key questions.If you actually have "true" Gallstones there are few option open to you; mainly surgery or flushing.
>>>I disagree here. Although diet and lifestyle do play a role in determining where we stand health wise, there is another factor which is ususally ignored by many. And thats the health of our spine. If nerves are pinched to Liver/GB, inspite of healthy diet a person will suffer with health problems. So taking pressure off these nerves is very important. No amount of magic potions can fix the spine. Only right exercise can fix that. But when we think of exercise, we think of running on a treadmill or biking or lifting heavy weights. These kind of exercises are actually lot more detrimental to health and our poor spines.
That said, I also disagree that surgery and liver flushing are the only 2 options to fix gallstones. Both are harsh in their own ways.
I have a few questions for you.
1) Did they ever diagnose you with gallstones?2) How is your health now after I guess 50+ flushes now?
3) Are you still doing these or taking a break?Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: Telman... telman
16 y
11,855
This is a reply to # 1,181,543Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
I was only discussing the spinal factor this morning with a very knowledgeable doctor. We were considering the nutritional effects of an inappropriate diet, food intolerances etc. The absorbsion of nutrients is altered and in particular the balance of the many compounds that are commonly called electrolytes. Altered phosphate results in the deposition of calcium around the neck and lumber regions of the spine as well as other joints and this leads to pain. For example it has recently been discovered that Celeic (Coeleic) Decease commonly results in spinal disk bulges. People who are diagnosed and who abstain from gluten get rid of the pain. Consequently, I agree with thoughts.
To answer your questions:
I wasn't ever diagnosed with Gallstones because the sludge in my gallbladder was so thick it obscured the view. However, the blood works indicated that the flow of bile was being impeded.
My health now is 75% improved and I am looking for the other 25% but I have completed by Liver Flushing because I no longer expel any stones. The last white gallstone which emerged just before Christmas 2007 marked a dramatic increase in my health and vigour. I completed a 6 mile in under an hour in March; my marathon. The right shoulder problems disappeared within a few weeks. You may guess from my recent incursion into celiac decease that I am considering abstaining from gluten for a period of time.- Re: Telman... San2006
16 y
11,872
This is a reply to # 1,181,620
Spinal Subluxations can be caused by numerous factors. Weakened muscles, accidents, lifting heavy weights, pregnancy, falls etc. But even if we are avoiding all these factors there is one constant force which is pulling us downward called gravity. Eventually gravity is going to take its toll on us leading to pinched nerves and myriad health problems. so stretching the spine has the potential of fixing health problems not only just taking the pain away.
Have you had another Ultrasound to confirm that your GB is clear of all the bad stuff?
Regarding CELIAC disease, this is another disease which I could not understand. I love whole wheat homemade breads, and can fully digest them. 2 years ago I was caught up in the "gluten free diet" fad and it did nothing for me. I was suffering from IBS and bloating symptoms and landed in Curezone looking for an answer. I have seen and read a lot in CZ. I have tried and tested a lot of things. I have come to a full circle and started doing what my parents were telling me to do for a long time. Yoga and stertching to eradicate health problems.
I would say I am 90% better now. But there is always scope of improvement.
Running is bad BTW. For your knees and your spine.
take care.
Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: Telman... San2006
16 y
11,872
- Re: Telman... telman
16 y
11,855
- My cholesterol level dropped from 26... tiger_tiger
16 y
16,653
RN
This is a reply to # 1,181,271Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
Yes, absolutely. Even when I was searching Liver Flush a year ago, it took me 8-9 months to start liver flushing. But what the heck, I did my 4th flush 2 weeks ago, and every time I passed also 2 or 3 big whitish ones. I'm doing 5th one this weekend.
Overall my experience is all positive and recommend my family & friends too. Believe or not my cholesterol level dropped from 265 to 170, and bloating is gone, plus fatigue reduced. As you say it's polarity and they are trying to sell "their" kind of stone resolving formulas in the end.
Cheers
- Telman... San2006
16 y
12,128
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
12,496
This is a reply to # 1,181,153Hi everyone,
If you believe this website in your story, then you believe almost anything.
I haven't read it but according to you he says:
>The "huge" gall stones reported being passed in this so-called gall bladder flush are not stones but rather chunks of a soapy material formed in the intestines by mixing the olive oil, lemon juice, and certain Epsom Salts .<
Then he says:
>Actually, this "flush" is a bad idea. As these stones could get lodged in the duct causing even more problems."<
My question:
If the first statement was right, then how those stones get to duct from intestines?
The whole story is obviously written by someone with very little understanding of LF!
Keep flushing!
SF
Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? jgblack2
16 y
12,372
This is a reply to # 1,182,023Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
I am looking for similar information on the so called Liver or Gallbladder flush. I have done it twice and passed green stones both times. The first time I drank lemon juice with the olive oil. The second time I did not take any citrus juice that day. I did the olive oil flush after finishing a Colon Cleanse with Oxypowder . I still passed stones so I would say lemon juice is not part of the mixture that makes the stones. I did drink espom salt both times though. I find it hard to believe that everyone that does the flush could pass so many gallstones. I have not met anyone yet that has not had some kind of stone pass the next day. I think most of the stones are a result of the olive oil forming into something, perhaps a soapy like substance. On the other had many people swear by the flush and feel much better after. I am wondering if a few tiny real Gallstones may actually be passed but are over shadowed by the larger, green, floating globs of olive oil. I think the flush is too good to be true, but I would like to think that at least a few real Gallstones are being passed. I too am looking for lab results or comparitive ultrasounds. My doctor will not send me for a second ultra sound. He says it is a waist of time. I plan to find a new doctor and get a second opinion. When I am completed I will post all my results along with all the methods I have used to treat my gallstones.- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
12,399
This is a reply to # 1,185,733So you have been diagnosed with gallstones. How many gallstones?
Whats your age, height, gender?
How many flushes have you done?
Keep us posted if subsequent Ultrasounds show any change in the status of gallstones.
The green stuff which ppl poop out is mostly congealed oil+bile. Just wondering is real Gallstones are also flushed out with these soap stones. Only subsequent Ultrasound tests can prove this, done by someone who is NOT brainwashed into this flushing business.
take care of your self.
Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? jgblack2
16 y
12,312
This is a reply to # 1,185,949Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
Yes, I have been diagnosed with gallstones. My ultrasound report says "the gallbladder is somewhat enlarged and there are numerous stones filling the lumen of the gallbladder. The largest stone measures approx 2.2 x 1.3 x 1.7cm and the smallest measures 1.5 x .09 x 1.7cm. There is thickening of the gallbladder wall, which measures 5mm in thickness. No definite pericholecystic fluid is identified. There are no biliary dilation. The common bile duct measures 5mm in diameter"
I am 47 years old and weigh about 178lbs. When I had my attack on March 5 I weighed about 194. I have followed a strict diet low in fats and high in vegetables since the attack. I have cut out red meat, beer, coffee, processed sugars and any processed food since the attack. I have started exercising regularly. I have used gallcleanse for almost 3 months now. I also took a product called gallstonex for about 2 months. I flushed twice, once with lemon juice and once after a colon cleans with Oxypowder . The second cleanse did not include any citrus juice, just olive oil and Epsom Salts a couple hours before drinking the olive oil. I have cooresponded with a homeopathic doctor in India that sent me an herbal product called Berberis Vulgaris. I have been on that for almost 6 weeks now.
I feel 100% better but could not convince my conventional doctor to send me for a second ultasound. He believes it is pointless and that once the gallbladder has stones, it is diseased for life. My doctor from India says it is too early for another ultra sound and I should wait 3 more months. I will probably look for a walk in clinic and see if I can get another doctor to write me a perscr*iption for an ultrasound. I am curious to montitor my progress, I can not believe there is no improvement, I feel so much better. This is basically everything I have done since my attack. I feel results but still have no medical proof. I will post the results of any other tests I have in this forum. I believe everyone has the right to know. I want to know the results of anyone elses medical tests also. If you have been diagnosed with gallstones, please let me know and let me know the treatment method you chose.- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,876
This is a reply to # 1,188,899nope. never been diagnosed with gallstones. I am 33 and am slim. weigh arnd 117 lbs.
I was suffering from very stubborn bloat and IBS symptoms 2.5 years ago. and tried a lot of things to fix the problem. I tried western doctors, naturopathic doctors, anti-candida diet, parasite cleansing, Iodine therapy and even liver flushing. Even spent hundreds of dollars on supplements like vitamin C, Vit E, D, Zinc, folic acid, h2o2 etc.
I continued to suffer. Then 7 months ago, I injured my back and started going to chiropractor for treatments. I noticed that not only back ache went away, stomach problems became better. I started researching a lot about spinal health and different diseases, and strongly beleive unhealthy spine can lead to many health issues.
Althoug, we must take care of our spines for life, going to a chiro for life did not appeal to me. I wanted a cheaper alternative. I searched and came across a powerful exercise called inversion. That just excited me a lot.
Now I practice Inversion therapy and keep my bloating prblems at bay. I feel so rejuvinated. I like to stay away from doctors and take care of myself. Plus, I dont like taking medicins, not even vitamins/supplements. Sometimes I feel they are also scam.
jUst my 2 cents
Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
11,996
This is a reply to # 1,189,172Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
Debate continues if the Liver Flush produces real remedies or not.
We all seem to have our own health agenda, why we continue to search for method that brings the results.
I am not here to prove anybody else wrong but rather compare the results and explain what I believe is close to the truth.
Original posting mention how Liver-Flush has been put down by an author who wish to sell books.
My judgement is that those “stones” we expel by doing Liver-Flush aren’t olive oil for simple reason that in some of my LF’s I didn’t use olive oil at all.
My early flushes produced sand-like substance that was nothing what I consumed by mouth in a week prior to my LF. That substance had to come from liver duct, either from gallbladder or liver. The colour of the “stones” originates from liver as in my experimental flushes I consumed nothing of that colour.
Forming of the Liver-Flush “stones” is another debate where exactly it happens?
It is hard to believe that our liver actually would contain such a large quantity of stones some people report here time and time again.
Further more it’s hard to understand how such large stones would ever make through ducts.
It would make more sense to say that the bile flow from the liver and gallbladder is actually in liquid form. As the flow is increased by substance consumed during LF, usually a mixture of oo/citrus, it will bring any foreign matter out of liver with it, including toxins.
For some reason the bile coagulates in our intestines helping us to expel the toxins rather than leaving it loose to reabsorb in colon.
I also believe that LF will help to dislodge the true liver/gallbladder stones if stuck in the duct. (Those stones would be a pea-size or less, nothing like LF "stones").
Will LF help us expel true stones?
I think the jury is still out on that one!
San2006 you say that your problems originates from spine.
I don't say you are wrong, but I am still trying to find some locigal connection, direct or indirect to see how for example IBS would be caused by spine problem.
Human body is incredible comlicated "machine" so to understand the workings of it takes a lifetime.
Often that is not long enough!
I recently discovered the true cause of my own lifelong problems.
Can't talk about it now as the matter is in the hands of my lawyer.
The interesting fact is that the less educated mind like mine, can produce a logic superior to most doctors, who spend years to gain their knowledge!
Take care and keep searching the truth.
SF
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,838
MoreThis is a reply to # 1,189,455<<
I don't say you are wrong, but I am still trying to find some locigal connection, direct or indirect to see how for example IBS would be caused by spine problem.>>>
I posted a message in this forum regarding this
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1144724#i
Pinched nerves could cause all kinds of health problems. And just like we are all unqiue, nerves going to which organ is pinched, also varies from person to person. If nerves to heart are pinched, we get heart disease/ chest pains, if nerves to intestines are pinched, we get IBS, constipation, diarrhea etc. If nerves to liver/gb are pinched , we get liver/gb disease. Similarly, if nerves are pinched to ears, we get ear infections, hearing loss, for eyes we might have vision problems, for sinuses, we get sinusitis and hair we get baldness, gray hair, unhealthy hair. Thyroid disease might also be caused by nerves to thyroid being pinched. If nerves to brain are pinched, depression, autism, alzeihmers, memory issues etc can happen depending on which part of brain is affected.
So NERVOUS SYSTEM is the most important system in our body..
So diseases can be numerous, and cause is the same. I read lots of books on Yoga/Pilates/ Stretching and they say what I am saying. Its all about maintaining a healthy & flexible spine.
NO MAGIC POTIONS can fix the spine, because its a mechanical problem.
I have seen ppl with healthy/vegetarian diets and still have high cholesterol, diabetes, high BP. And I have seen ppl who eat anything and everything and still have flat stomach and no health problems. So diet is secondary, flexibility of spine is more important.Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
11,610
This is a reply to # 1,190,770Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
Would you still have some unsolved problems or is everything fixed in your body?
You had problems obviously that pushed you to try few alternative methods?
In my case Liver-Flush and Bowel Cleanse helped me enormously!
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,551
This is a reply to # 1,190,787Nope.. everything is not fixed. although my digestion and bloat is so much better and my appetite has improved, my frequent headaches are gone, back-aches are gone, I have still one issue for which I am looking an answer. I suffer from gray hair. Lets see, if that goes away eventually.
Liver Flushing is extremely taxing on the body and I strongly would advise against it.
Although propagators of LFing will say. "oh drinking 1/2 cup of oil and 4 cups of ES is not taxing at all" I still think it is very hard on the poor body and poor liver, considering the problem is somewhere else.- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
11,676
This is a reply to # 1,190,912Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
That is good that your headaches are gone and back ache.
Grey hair? I can’t answer if you ever get help for that.
I’ve seen relatively young people with grey hair and here I am way past 60 and my hair hasn’t turner grey so far.
I was hesitant to start LFs but considered them safe as long as it’s done sensibly and not too often.
Help to understand the working principle of Liver-Flush to get the best out of it.
We the people do lot worse thing to our body and often willingly like consuming a bottle of vine and sometimes whisky. We eat all kind of stuff without suffering immediate problems. Not necessarily everybody but some!
LF is not, as sometimes people erroneously believe cure for all deceases.
It is only amplifying what our body is supposed to do naturally!
Understandably it isn’t for everybody as we are all different.
Different by physiology and different by opinion!
By the way, how is your blood pressure?
Do you get tired more than usual and what time usually?
SF
Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
12,038
This is a reply to # 1,191,278
<<Grey hair? I can’t answer if you ever get help for that.
I’ve seen relatively young people with grey hair and here I am way past 60 and my hair hasn’t turner grey so far.
>>Lucky you. I started going gray when I was 12. I am 33 now. Not that I have many grays. Just a few scattered grays, But I am inquisitive about their cause, and if possible I want to reverse them. If you google "headstand" and "gray hair", they say inversion helps in reversing grays. Not sure how much time it takes to achive that though. At least I dont want any more grays popping in my head.
<<<LF is not, as sometimes people erroneously believe cure for all deceases.
It is only amplifying what our body is supposed to do naturally!
Understandably it isn’t for everybody as we are all different.
Different by physiology and different by opinion! >>>How can any therapy which causes explosive diarrhea, sore anus and nausea/vomiting be suitable for anyone...Its just a horrible procedure which needs to be done like again and again and again. I dont even consider it human.
<<<By the way, how is your blood pressure?
Do you get tired more than usual and what time usually?>>>I do not have high BP. I have read that subluxated ATLAS vertebra (C1) can cause high BP. Have you looked into this yet? There was a study on hypertension reducing by Atlas adjustment.
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
11,541
This is a reply to # 1,191,607Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
>>>How can any therapy which causes explosive diarrhea, sore anus and nausea/vomiting be suitable for anyone...Its just a horrible procedure which needs to be done like again and again and again. I dont even consider it human.”<<<
Here our opinions are really different. You CAN DO an Liver-Flush with those side issues, or you CAN DO WITHOUT them.
That is what I said: Helps if one understand the workings of LF.
I don’t use the amount of ES as recommended by usual recipes. It is my firm opinion that the function of ES is overstated in LFs. It certainly causes diarrhoea in quantities recommended, but there is no firm evidence that it will dilate biliary ducts as much as many seems to believe. It may relax the ducts.
Fact remains that it is important to expell LF-released toxins as fast as possible.
Therefore its up to each one of us to learn the correct qty of ES, which gives you fast BM, not necessarily diarrhoea.
It surely causes sore anus if one uses too liberal amount as often recommended. It can also be harmfull in large quantities.
Olive oil/citrus juice may not be nice combination when taken orally.
Some people use capsules, some use draws. I usually mix it really well and drink it without breathing the smell of it and it is relatively easy to take!
I normally do only maintenance LFs every half a year. No big deal!
That reason you mentioned as a possible cause of BP is one of the unusual of them all.
I have discovered recently a major cause of BP, which in turn causes host of other conditions in human body. Many of those secondary conditions are fatal. I have carried my problems though my life, possibility exist that I was born with it. I can’t say much more as investigations are “half baked”.
In life it is good to understand some common facts so we can use our own judgement what to believe and what is best to ignore!
SF
Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,562
This is a reply to # 1,191,836I dont think I am interested in doing Liver-Flush in first place.
But if I was really forced to do them for some reason, I would not skip on ES.... I need to make sure all those soap stones get out of my body.
- Re: is liver flush a hoax?
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? tiger_tiger
16 y
11,719
This is a reply to # 1,191,607Oh boy! This getting very interesting...
Let me start with my latest LF/GBF experience; 2 weekends ago I did my 5th flush. Result as usual=success. But what I realized that since 4th one I've been passing less and less stone. Does that mean I am getting to the end, liver and gallbladder cleansing themselves? If so I'm so very happy.
Secondly; as San2006 pointed out in his post Atlas (C1) alignment is rather at paramount importance. Check this article from Chicago University's Dr. Bakris findings.
http://www.uchospitals.edu/news/2007/20070314-atlas.html
"March 14, 2007
A Chicago-area study of 50 individuals with a misaligned Atlas vertebra (located high in the neck) and high blood pressure showed that after a one-time specialized chiropractic adjustment, blood pressure decreased significantly. The decrease was equal to taking two blood-pressure drugs at once. The results are published in the online March 2 issue of the Journal of Human Hypertension."
As of August 2007 I had my Atlas aligned by a specialized chiropractor. I had stiff neck, fatigue and high blood pressure(Once I hit 190/145). Stiff neck has gone (hopefully forever), fatigue reduced, HBP under control (120/70) by 1/2 pill daily, and some Reiki too.
Believe me it was all worth it. I read once almost 99.9% of the people have their Atlas misaligned for some reason. As far as I read from different sources reasons could be from birth, too much pulling the neck, fall down a tree, horse, etc, car accident, as my doctor said sleeping over your tummy, that makes your head twist and turn, even some extreme explanation says that it is a curse from Annunaki.
San2006 have u tried amino acids for your hair, like Arginine, Lysine, Ornithine and Carnitine? 4 years ago my urologist said I could not conceive a child because of my sperm count, I searched some reliable sources and then took Arginine and Carnitine 3 to 5 gram/day. After three months my wife got preg, and we have a 4 yr old happy healthy boy, Thank GOD!. When I read that articles they were talking reversing the gray hair back to natural color too. So check it out.
Blessings.
T&T
Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,643
This is a reply to # 1,191,895Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
thats good to hear that atlas adjustment helped in lowering your BP. But it(atlas) may still not be in the right position, hence the need for you to take drugs. So hypertension is also caused by misaligned vertebra. Same as many other diseases.
My BP is always low ( 110/70) but few months ago I noticed that my resting pulse rate was around 100-110. I did not feel anyting but it was simply high. I started doing yoga therapy. I also invert from my ottoman at home and a slant board at gym ( 45 deg angle). Yesterday I checked my pulse rate and it was 67 bpm.
I like to relax on a slant board. Helps me give a flat stomach, lean thighs and I feel rejuvianted. I have stopped all exercises like treadmill, biking , elliptical, aerobics. I am exploring the slow exercises and loving it. Makes me crave to go to gym, because now I am not sweaty and out of breadth when I come out of gym.
Regarding amino acids, I do take whey protein/ soy protein in my morning milk, which contains a lot of amino acids. I am not very keen on buying any special supplements as of now. Already have spent hundreds on dollars on them.
You will find Liver Flushing will be like a roller coaster ride. At times you will feel that you are stone free, but then lots of stones will start coming out again. Trust me, there will be no end. And when you have done 50+ flushes, someone in LF forum will tell you, "Who told you LF is cure all?" And no matter what anyone says, I like to call those GREEN SOAP STONES... They might see less stones sometimes ( perhaps because not enough bile was released during that particular flush) , but if you keep flushing, lots of stones will keep coming out of your rear end.... Its a SCAM, or a JOKE being played on ppl who want to take matters in their hands.
Good luck...
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? skyway
16 y
11,665
This is a reply to # 1,192,287Hi everyone, Just wanna give my 2 pence.
I started Liver Flushing last August and did my 6th in January this year. Mainly because of liver pain as I have enlarged fatty liver.
I am a person that studies things to death as some have told me. I am not saying I know everything about Liver-Flush as it is an immense subject. All I want to post is my opinion and experience.
Firstly I gained a huge improvement from them flushes. Liver pain (dull and sharp stopped) My chronic headaches stopped, my intolerances and dermatitus hugely improved, neck ache stopped, backache improved, slept like a baby, energy levels increased, Eye sight improved + more
I noticed that everytime I flushed less and less stones came out and they were smaller than the last flush. Each flush produced various 'side effects' before the improvement came like increased neckache for a few weeks.
I have not done a flush since January as I was much better but am about to start again tonight as over the last 2 months some symptoms have resurfaced. I have been a naughty boy and been eating too many wrong things.
I really agreed with Stoneface's post. We are all very unique beings and have our own health agenda and although we may have similar symptoms doesnt mean the cure for one will be the same for the other.
LF'ing works for me but may not work for another. If someone came to me for advice about Liver Flushing, because we are all very different I would only say it has worked very much for me and others but also not worked for many as well. If I try something and it aggravates my condition over time, I stop and try something else.
The ins and outs of what the stones really are or how they are produced doesnt mean much to me. The Liver Flushing made me roughly 75% better in 6 months. Thats what counts to me.
Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? skyway
16 y
11,665
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,643
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
11,541
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
12,038
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
11,676
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,551
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
11,610
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,838
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? stoneface
16 y
11,996
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
11,876
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? jgblack2
16 y
12,312
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? San2006
16 y
12,399
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? Hveragerthi
16 y
12,189
This is a reply to # 1,182,023Advertisement
Natural Weight Loss
Remove toxins from the body, restore digestive function, lose weight and keep it off.
>Actually, this "flush" is a bad idea. As these stones could get lodged in the duct causing even more problems."<
>>My question:
If the first statement was right, then how those stones get to duct from intestines?
>>The whole story is obviously written by someone with very little understanding of LF!
>>Keep flushing!
SF
>>
How do you know that the "stones" went from the gallbladder to the intestines?
By the way, Gallstones don't go from the intestines to to bile ducts. I think you have very little understanding if how the body works!
And yes, lodging a TRUE gallstone in the bile ducts is extremely dangerous and requires emergency surgery.
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? jgblack2
16 y
12,372
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? YES! Langhorne 14 y 10,639
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? SixWater
10 y
6,629
This is a reply to # 1,181,153I just did a Liver Flush with no lemon juice, citrus, or Epsom salt. I still passed stones. If the stones are fake, then lemon juice and Epsom Salt must not be reacting with the oil to make them. If they are just soap stones, then how can they be formed in our body?
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? SixWater
10 y
6,657
This is a reply to # 1,181,153Advertisement
Hulda Clark Cleanses
Wormwood, Clove, Clarkia, Turmeric, Epsom Salt, Uva Ursi, Goldenrod
They cant be formed by mixing oil, lemon, and Epsom salt. I know because I did a successful Liver Flush with olive oil, without citrus or Epsom salt. So if they are soap stones that guy is wrong in claiming they are formed by mixing the salt lemon and oil
- Re: is liver flush a hoax? telman
16 y
13,311
Share:
Translate This Page: