"paul is misunderstood. i agree with you, though. i can remember going to baptist vacation bible school as a kid and thinking that all they talked about was paul and i thought this was all about jesus. the baptists REALLY dont understand paul or jesus. martin luthers strength was not that he understood the scriptures so much but that he understood what the church was doing wasnt right. why have so many generations had to pass in order to arrive at the truth? has anyone gotten it right since jesus? that is a rhetorical question. i know that muslims think so."
I agree with most of what you have written. I don't think that Paul is so misunderstood as he is followed through misunderstanding. Don't know if that makes sense to you or not.
Jesus taught forgiveness. From what I can tell, he is the first to do so. Paul taught atonement - straight from his background as a Pharisee. The two concepts are in opposition to each other.
Yet I have to give a lot of credit to Paul. Both Jesus and Paul were in the Roman Empire, a domineering and brutal overlord. The temples in Palestine operated under the authority of the Romans. The temple in Jerusalem had a Roman guard contingent on the Temple Mount of between 2 to 3,000 soldiers. Paul was a Roman citizen and understood what was required to take Jesus' message to the gentiles - the common Roman people. He had to make changes and adjustments from the law of the Sabbath to eating pork and many other things. In the process he also intermingled his judgmental Pharisee background into the pot. Yet it was that pot that the Romans eventually bought and I doubt if they would have bought anything else. In fact, the Roman Church did all sorts of cutting and pasting and destruction of books, in order to come up with the New Testament. Besides that, they eventually eliminated Gnostics and many other sects through murder. But Paul's teachings along with fragments of Jesus' teachings survived.
It is my personal opinion that within what survived all of that manipulation of Jesus' message - is the true message of Jesus - if you read Jesus. It's there. It is inspirational.
White Tiger, you’re full of red herrings.
God tells us in the Qur’an that He gave Jesus the Injeel (Gospel) and we, as Muslims, accept that whatever was written therein is, for want of a better word, the gospel truth.
Obviously, if we accept that to be the fact, we wouldn’t find in the Injeel statements written in the second and even the third person; would we? So, it really makes no difference if John or Paul spoke Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic or Chinese, for that matter, the fact remains that the historical account that we have today, called the Bible, is not divinely revealed. The fact that, of the original existing 300 or so copies, no two are the same and, the fact that, there are countless discrepancies and contradictions within the book is a testament in itself that the Bible is not directly from God. Think about it; God created everything perfectly…look at the sky; do you see any flaws in it? How then can we accept that the same God, who created all of the universe and everything in it, can’t even write a book without contradictions or discrepancies in it?
As to your efforts to cast aspersions on Mohammad, shame on you. Although he may have married Aishia when she was 9, the marriage was not consummated till well after her puberty. Do you even know how old Mary was when she conceived Jesus? It was just after puberty, according to the scholars.
Tell me, White Tiger, do you deny that Jesus came and taught the way to peace through submission to the Will of God (Islam)?
Contrary to what you may think, it is not possible for any human to have written the Qur’an; one and a half billion Muslims attest to that but, if you have any doubt then write a book like it, or even a chapter, or even a verse and bring your witnesses forward to testify, on your behalf, that what you have written is better than or equal to the Qur’an…but, I assure you, you will never be able to do it, even if you had an army of people helping you. So why not read the Qur’an, White Tiger, and then, if you have any doubt as to it’s origin, take up the challenge.
There are literally thousands of excellent objections that can be brought up against the Bible (50,000 according to one account); and that’s your own scholars who say so. There are, however, absolutely no viable objections that can be brought up against the Qur’an; if you, or anyone else, can bring anything up that can’t be satisfactorily addressed then no Muslim would believe the Qur’an but, to date, no one has done that. We’re 1.5 billion and growing stronger by the day, regardless of what you may hear.
Initially, I offered the best available translation of the word ‘μονογενη’ which, if adopted, will bring those Christians who do so, back into the realm of monotheism. I broke the word right down and offered proof, that you can see for yourself, as to the correct way to understand the word. You, on the other hand, rather than addressing the initial topic, sought to defame a Messenger of God, brought up irrelevant & unproven details regarding statistics, and segments from the Qur’an which, in fact, if understood correctly, actually compliment each other and, moreover, paint a more detailed picture of the events described, rather than contradict each other as you are inferring.
I have read the Bible and the Qur’an with an open heart, open mind and open eyes and, as a result, converted from being a Greek Orthodox Christian to being a Muslim. May you take your own advice and instead of attacking the Qur’an, its Messenger & his Family, and its followers, my sincere hope is that you and, indeed, all Christians read the Qur’an as I have…and may God guide you all to the truth…Amin.
From hereon, I will only address matters relating to my original article; enough Muslims have dealt with the rhetorical nonsense that has been levelled at Islam. If you want answers to such questions outside the scope of my article, do a Google search and I’m sure you’ll find what you are looking for.