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Date:   10/30/2017 6:30:12 PM ( 7 y ago)

SPEED OF LIGHT!

Young Earth Creationist leaders have a problem trying
to explain away the speed of light and how it interferes
with their theory that the universe is only about 6000 to 10,000 years old. Both real science and the Bible gives us overwhelming evidence that the universe is billions of years old. But again, Ken Ham, Jason Lisle, and the rest of the Young Earth teachers carefully avoid the scriptures that conflict with their theory and have invented a bogus science, called Operational Science,
to try to explain away this very damaging evidence.

The scientific fact is this.
Light travels at 186,282 miles per second, or about 671 million miles per hour.
One light year, which is actually a measurement of distance and not time, is the distance light can travel in one year, and is about 6 trillion miles.

The first time we read in the Bible of stars being seen by
humans is in Genesis15:5, when God speaks to Abram.
The verse reads, “And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.”
Obviously, there was the light from a countless number of stars reaching the earth when Abram looked up into the sky.
I’m sure Abram was seeing the light from the Andromeda galaxy at that time.

The Andromeda galaxy is approximately 2.54 million light years from earth. That means the light we are seeing today from Andromeda left that galaxy 2,540,000 years ago.

The problem for Young Earth Creationists is this.
If the entire universe was created 6000 years ago,
then light began traveling from Andromeda at that
time and headed towards earth. It has traveled for 6000 years. The leading edge of
that light should still be 2,534,000 years away from earth. We should not be seeing
that light yet. We should not be able to see Andromeda for another 2.534 million
years.

Most Young Earth leaders will concede that the universe is more than 6000 light
years across. Even Jason Lisle has to admit that the universe is billions of light
years across, because good science has unequivocally proven that fact.

These simple facts would dictate that if we are seeing light from stars billions of
light years away, then it is safe to assume that the universe has been in existence
for billions of years to allow that light to reach our earth. That’s the logical
conclusion. But then again, we’ve determined that most of what Answer In Genesis
teaches is not logical.
So they must explain this problem to their followers. And they try several methods. This first method is to suggest that light traveled faster in the past than it does now.

In one of Jason Lisle’s lectures, he states that everyone assumes that light has always traveled at the same speed, but “perhaps it hasn’t.” Jason Lisle offers no evidence or Biblical references to back up his claim. This statement is
pure speculation. And speculation has no place in
establishing any doctrine.

Jason Lisle contradicts himself in another lecture on
another subject concerning God’s character. He claims that God’s laws of nature are constant and can be depended on to be the same today as they always have been.

Jason Lisle is correct in this lecture. The laws of nature do not change over time.
Other Answers In Genesis staff, like Dr. Werner Gitt, teach that the laws of nature
have been consistent since the creation of the universe.

So why does Jason Lisle’s statement in his lecture on the speed of light contradict
his other teachings on the laws of nature? Even Lisle teaches that two contradictory
statements pose a problem for the presenter. In another lecture, he states that two
contradictory statements cannot be correct.

So logically, Jason Lisle cannot state on one hand that the laws of nature, including
the speed of light, has been consistent over time, and then on the other hand state
that the speed of light may have changed over time. This is another example of
how Young Earth Creationists modify their teachings in order for their presentation
to fit their young earth theory. And they just can’t explain how light from stars
billions of light years away is reaching earth today.

I’ve repeated over and over again in this series that if you can show me evidence in
the Bible that confirms your claim, you will convert me. There is nothing in the
scriptures that even vaguely suggests that God designed light to travel at different
rates of speed at different times. But there are scriptures that overwhelmingly
prove that God created light traveling at 186,000 miles per second, and that speed has been constant since it was created. The teachers at Answers In Genesis will
never read these scriptures to their audiences. Never.

We read some compelling evidence in Jeremiah 31:35, that reads, “Thus saith the
LORD, which gives the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and
of the stars for a light by night, which divided the sea when the waves thereof
roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me,
saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before
me for ever.”

The original Hebrew word for ordinances in “the ordinances of the moon and stars” is khook-kaw', which means to be appointed. The second word ordinances in Hebrew is “khoke,” which is a decree, or a fixed law or statute. It also means an unwaiverable standard.

Jeremiah 33:25 states, “Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob .”

The word appointed is “soom,” which means to set or ordain, or to constitute or
establish. This verse again states that God ordained and established an unwaiverable standard, the laws of nature that were set in motion when the universe was created.

Psalm 74:16 “The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light
and the sun.” The word prepared is “koon,” and it means “to be fixed, to be stable and unchangeable, or to be established. The word light is “maw-ore’,” which means all transmitted light and brightness.

This verse unequivocally states that the natural laws governing the speed of light is the same today as it was at the beginning.

There are more scriptures that talk about God’s strict laws of nature, but here we
have presented three verses that tell us that God created light at its current speed,
and that speed has been consistent since the creations. The Young Earth teachers are unable to find one verse that states otherwise, in fact they don’t even try.
Jason Lisle is wrong.

Since we have determined that the speed of light has always been the same, and the
universe was created all at the same time, then the distance of each star from the
earth should determine what period of time we are observing on each star. For
instance.

The earth and two galaxies were created at the same time. Galaxy number one is
one million light years away. Galaxy number two is ten million light years away.
In exactly one million years, we would start seeing the light from Galaxy number one.
It would take another nine million years to see the light from galaxy number two.
By then, we have already been watching galaxy number one age for nine million years. Although both stars were created at the same time, here on earth we are seeing a brand new galaxy and a galaxy nine million years old.

Scientists using good science have determined how galaxies age by comparing those close to earth with those billions of light years away. And they have determined something very interesting as explained by Dr. Hugh Ross, a Christian
astrophysicist.

Dr. Ross indicates that galaxies that are closer to us are “spread out,” and are starting to separate from he core. The edges are becoming “frayed,” and consists of what he calls “spurs and feathers.” The edges of the galaxy appear
to look like a frayed piece of cloth, tattered at the edges.

There is evidence in the Bible that the light we are seeing from stars extreme distances away is much younger than light we are seeing from stars that are close,
exactly as Hue Ross explained. And it was likely that the Apostle Paul did not fully
understand the real meaning of the inspired words that he wrote about our universe.

Paul wrote in Hebrews 1:10 “And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the
foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall
perish; but You remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment.”

The word heavens is “oo-ran-os’ “which means “the vaulted expanse of the sky with all
things visible in it. The term wax old is “pal-ah-yo’-o,” which means to become old and worn out. What happens when a cloth garment becomes old and worn?
It becomes frayed. The edges become tattered and worn, exactly like the old galaxies
described by Hue Ross.

This proves one thing. We are seeing the light from galaxies different distances from earth at the speed that light was created when it left those galaxies. To demonstrate how ridiculous Jason Lisle’s claim is, we would have to show that
God created different speeds in the light from different stars in order for all of them
to be seen on earth at the same time.

The light from a galaxy 10 million light years away would have to travel 10 times the speed of light from a galaxy 1 million light years
away in order for the light from each galaxy to reach earth for Adam to see on day four.

The dwarf galaxy Sagittarius
is only 60,000 light
years away, so that light only had to be accelerated over the 60,000 light year distance,
much slower than galaxies billions of light years away.

So light headed towards earth from billions of stars and galaxies at different distances would mean that God would have to change billions of light speeds in order for all of the stars to be seen by Adam on day four. Find that in the scriptures somewhere.

Young Earth Creationists realize that their multiple light speed theory will be
challenged by real scientists, and they do try to use other theories on their followers. They even attempt the time zone theory, which is about as credible as their multiple light speed theory.

Jason Lisle compares the time zones on earth with time traveling through space. He gives an example of an airplane leaving the east coast at 9 AM Boston time and landing in Denver at 9 AM Denver time. Lisle
attempts to compare that example with light leaving Andromeda 6000 years ago
and reaching earth at the same “local time.”

Anyone who believes this moronic theory has a less than simple mind. The reason we have time zones on earth is because the earth revolves against the sun, and the
sun determines our time of day. When you look at the universe in its entirety, you
will realize that there is no “local time” as Jason Lisle suggests. You could call this
time zone “universal time.”

When God created the universe, every planet and star and galaxy were created at the same time. From that point on, day one on earth is day one on Andromeda. And realistically, year 2,534,000 on Andromeda would be year 2,534,000 on earth. And that is the year the light from Andromeda finally reached earth.
To compare time zones on earth with light years in space is absolutely foolish.

Psalm 19:1 reads “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handy work.” The word heavens is “shaw-mah’-yim" which means the visible heavens, or the visible universe. It also means abode of the stars. The word sheweth is “naw-gad" which means to inform of, to declare or made known. The
word handwork is “mah-as-eh’” which simply means the work of God. The creator of the heavens has made it possible for us to learn with good science many of the secrets of the universe. He has given us information in his word describing his creation.

The Young Earth Creationist’s refusal to acknowledge any reliable scientific
evidence that proves our universe is billions of years old has limited their
knowledge to a few misinterpreted Bible passages which they proclaim to their
followers proves our earth is only 6000 years old. Whether their teachings are out
of ignorance or motivated by an attempt to keep their movement alive, they
continue to deceive their following by modifying God’s word, promoting a bogus
science, and convincing their followers that they are right and everyone else is
wrong. And their followers sit in the audience and nod their heads in confirmation.

 

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