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  • The US is Broke!   by  kerminator     13 y     42,460       8 Messages Shown       Blog: Uncommon Wisdom!!

     

       "Is everyone out there stupid or do you just want to go down in a total financial meltdown? " 

     

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      Topic started by: Weknoz on 12,  Jun 2008,  07:06*:  GMT

     


    Title: Tax Facts
    Post by: Weknoz on 12,Jun 2008,  07:06*:  GMT


    Last week, President Obama reversed course once again and now wants to raise taxes on the "rich" making above $250,000 per year. Obama is in dire need of additional revenue after proposing a $3.8 trillion 2011 budget -- containing the largest deficit in U.S. history at an estimated $1.6 trillion. Yet his latest share-the-wealth proposals make little sense.

    Obama never distinguishes between the super-rich and the well-off. At one point in justification, the president scoffed, "I don't need another tax cut, Warren Buffett doesn't need another tax cut."

    But Warren Buffett, unlike the building contractor or family dentist, is the world's third-richest man, worth nearly $50 billion. And Obama is probably the most privileged person on the planet, with all of his expenses covered -- from a nice free mansion at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to a huge private jet.

    The rich and the poor are not separated across an impenetrable barrier. The president's $250,000 line in the sand is actually quite fluid. Most of those who make incomes above it did not do so 10 years ago -- and they won't, on average, 10 years hence. The income of well-off professionals and small-business people fluctuates widely as they ascend, peak and descend in earnings -- given factors like health, age, and uncertainty in employment and business. It would be more accurate to say that raising taxes on the better-off is a sort of punishment for those who break into the top brackets for a few short years and try to be careful to save what they make and not spend what they don't.

    The super-rich pay in taxes a far smaller percentage of their income than do the well-off. An array of blue-chip tax lawyers and Byzantine write-offs -- and paying at the capital gains rates rather than the income tax rates -- allows the Billionaires of the world to praise higher taxes while they connive to pay at lower rates than most others. The IRS, for example, reported that the 400 richest Americans paid only 17 percent in federal income tax. A corporation like General Electric -- run by Obama pal Jeffrey Immelt -- paid no taxes at all on its $14.2 billion in worldwide profits.

    Nearly half of American households pay absolutely nothing in federal income tax. For them, the once-dreaded April 15 tax day is more a welcome time of tax credits, rebates and refunds. In February 2011, American households received more than $2.3 trillion in direct government support, more than was collected during those 28 days by the Treasury in personal taxes. In contrast, the now-demonized top 5 percent account for almost 60 percent of all federal income tax revenue -- a higher percentage than anywhere else in the Western world.

    Until recently, falling revenue has not been the prime cause of these serial national deficits. In fact, the Treasury took in an all-time high of nearly $2.6 trillion in 2007. Unfortunately, wild spending has skyrocketed well above the pace of both inflation and annual revenue increases. Such profligacy ensures that even with a growing economy, increased tax revenues never match out-of-control spending.

    If the president wishes to raise revenue, he might first close loopholes. That would ensure that those who owe taxes actually pay them. He could start with his own Cabinet. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who oversees the IRS, at one point did not pay his Social Security and Medicare taxes and took improper writes-offs. Attorney General Eric Holder, the nation's top law-enforcement official, did not pay long-overdue property taxes on a house he co-owned until recently chided to do so by the media. The husband of Labor Secretary Hilda Solis had overdue tax liens on property that went back 16 years. Cabinet nominee Tom Daschle withdrew from consideration due to past unpaid taxes.

    So before raising taxes, the president might first urge the super-rich to pay their taxes at the income tax, rather than capital gains, rate. Next, he could remind his own Cabinet officers to pay all the taxes they owe. Then, he should offer to pay more of the first family's costs when they jet to luxury spots like Martha's Vineyard, Costa del Sol or Vail. And finally, he might ask the nearly 50 percent of Americans who now pay no income tax to pay at least 5 percent of their income in federal taxes -- to ensure that they see their government as a taker as well as a giver.

    Do all that and we would have more money -- and the president would be less likely to declare, "I don't need another tax cut."

     

      Fact:  Per the 2008 IRS report (latest available )  In the USA; the top 2 % of wage earners those making over $250,000  pay about 40% of the tax;   While the Bottom 40 % pay less than 2 % of the tax!    {Now that is what I call fair... Huh!}


     Even if Congress moved the tax rate up to 100% (all they make) on the top 1% {All Billionaires} that would only produce appox 410 Billion in taxes, which would not even dent the 1.66 Trillion US Nat'l Budget Deficit!    The Nat'l Debt is closer to   $14.0 Trillion now!   So The answer is not getting the filthy rich to pay it all, because there is not enough money in the country now!     The US is in deep debt and is only getting by due to our printing more money (which has no real backing)  as the Dollar is the reserve currency of the world right now!     But that is changing, as China and many of the Islamic countries are getting off the Dollar, then where are we going to be?  If the US Dollar was not the reserve Currency of the world, we would not be able to just print more money!  That is coming to an end as more countries stop wanting to take the US Dollar!    HUH!
     
     

    ***  Inflation will reign and the US will not be a World Power; then all that wonderful stuff, like:
     

     Big Houses. Expensive Cars, Fancy Vacations,  Jewelry, Over priced cloths, ridiculous Entertainment, Big Sports and even much of the so called "we deserve it" welfare will stop!
     

      Yet the answer coming from mainly one political party;  the "They know better crowd"  is to raise taxes on almost everyone makes over about $200K...  This will not fix the problem folks...

     The  majority of the income tax is paid by the $25,00 to $100,000 group of workers,  which now pay 48% of the Federal Income tax!  Which group are you in?  Refer to the table below for a list of who pay what!

      Then there are those who claim that the present tax system is unfair to the lower class...    HUH!!    Most of the lower class, not only do not pay any Income Tax,  but they are actually getting paid from the tax money taken from those who do, which is a redistribution of wealth!   {And I thought it was an income tax; not a let 's take your money and give to someone else!} 

     The last available IRS report  showed that only 47%  of the people who actually filed a Tax Return paid any tax!   So Less that half pay even any thing at all....    

       " This Republic will only last until they the non producers {non wage earners} come to acquire by the vote what they the producers have! "
        Memories of Thomas Jefferson; 1808


      This means that if this keeps up there will not be enough taxpaying citizens to support the lower half of non producing tax payers...  

     BTW:  Corporations do not really pay Taxes, they only collect it for the IRS, from their customers or users... DUH!

      Do you think we have about arrived at the end of the tax road for this country!?
     The answer is Yes, we are Broke!   

     

    Then a summery from NTU.org

     

     


    Title: Tax the rich or the Fair Tax?
    Post by: Kerminator on    13,     Apr  2011,   19:54*:  GMT


      ***  Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
    Source: Internal Revenue Service

     


    Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

    Top 1%    $380,354       38.02%

    Top 5%    $159,619       58.72%

    Top 10%  $113,799        69.94%

    Top 25%   $67,280         86.34%

    Top 50%   $33,048         97.30%

    Bottom 50% <$33,048    2.7%


     Does this give you a quick view of who pay what or how much?  

     With a present US national debt of over  $1.66 Trillion
       Even taxing the richest 1% @ 100% would only bring in about $410 Billion dollars
       which is like trying to pay of your 1,66 Million dollar mortgage off with only 410 thousand dollars....  

     So folks there is not enough money in the pot!   What we need is a different tax system; here is some info from the NTU Nat'l Taxpayers Union;  Who track and look at the best method of collection and use of taxes:   go to NTU.org
     
     Why NTU Supports the Fairfax:

    The Fair Tax Act would promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

    Legislative Status:

    The Fair Tax has been reintroduced for the 111th Congress. It is H.R. 25 in the House and S. 296 in the Senate. NTU has endorsed the Fairfax since 1998 and continues to work for its adoption.

    Benefits of the Fair Tax:

    The Fair Tax plan brings fairness, transparency, and efficiency to our unfair, complex, and confusing Tax Code.

    The FairTax rewards job creation, hard work, and individual responsibility. By doing away with payroll taxes, companies can afford to hire more employees and outsourcing looks less attractive. By taxing consumption instead of income, individuals are provided with a strong incentive to work hard because they keep more of what they earn. By taxing spending, the FairTax allows us to control how much tax we pay depending on our individual lifestyle choices.

    The FairTax ensures that all Americans pay their fair share of taxes. The IRS currently admits to a 25 percent non-compliance rate with the Tax Code, often done unintentionally. By placing the tax at the point of sale, no individual or special interest group could evade taxes with the help of an expensive tax attorney or well-heeled lobbyist. Furthermore, we could stop making criminals out of ordinary Americans who prepare their tax returns incorrectly by mistake.

    How the Plan Works:

    The FairTax proposal is a comprehensive revenue plan that would eliminate most major federal income and payroll taxes, including personal, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, self-employment, and corporate taxes. On payday, every American would receive 100 percent of his or her paycheck, minus any state income taxes.

    These federal taxes would be replaced by a national retail sales tax. Under the FairTax, the national sales tax rate initially would be 23 percent, with adjustments made to the rate in subsequent years.

    The FairTax is progressive. To make this system fair for low-income Americans, all taxpayers would receive a monthly "rebate," so no one would pay taxes for consumption up to the poverty line.

    The national retail tax would only be collected on new purchases, making "used" purchases tax-free. Additionally, business purchases would be exempt from the tax, thereby eradicating corporate tax compliance costs currently hidden in retail prices.

    What You Can Do:

        * Sign NTU's online petition.
        * Download our FairTax flyer (PDF).
        * Make a financial contribution to help spread the word about the FairTax.
        * Visit FairTax.org for additional information.
        * Watch this online video about the FairTax.
        * Ask your Representative and Senators to cosponsor H.R. 25 and S. 296 and then vote for the FairTax when it reaches the floor.

      ***  What is going to take to get a majority of the US citizens to understand that the present Federal Tax systems SUX...   

        It has got to change folks; either there will be a total global finical meltdown with a real Grand Great Depression,  and / or  Islam will institute Shar'ia Law and everything you knew or cared about will be gone...

        Either way the USA is like a plane flying at 35,000 ft, with low fuel, blown tires and no suitable runway in sight...   It ain't pretty folks, but all this extra social government support has got to be limited or it will end itself!   You could call it financial suicide!

       For more details go to http://www.babylontoday.com/national_debt_clock.htm

      What part of we are broke don't you understand? 

       Johann W. Goethe:  

         "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe that they are free."

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    • Re: Broke, Broke, Broke!   by  mo123     13 y     3,108
      Not understanding how Sharia Law has anything with the stupid government taxing us all and why would the sharia law let everyone and their grandmother go to hell?

      Now I pay taxes and I feel robbed. I live in Jordan where there is Sharia Law and the government supported me for 7 years giving me welfare when I was widowed and unemployed. I was taken care of by the locals who fed, clothed and provided me with a place to live. I was never ever taken care of like that in America for sure.

      I think their are great misconceptions about Sharia Law. Sharia law is not something to take everyones rights away, it is a group of clerics who show you what should be done according to the Quran and sunnah. So lets take the Islamic Finance. Now in order to have an islamic finance branch you have to guarantee that the bank has no dealings with gambling and liquour. This is a good thing and in fact many US banks are now opening Sharia compliant loan branches.

      Sharia Law has many pluses. I have never ever been treated so well as I have been in Jordan. Sharia Law is not about stoning women, it is about following the Quran and its guidance. Now the Quran has all the good things from the bible such as we have the same prophets and Prophet Mohammad is in the bible.

      So as far as taxes go, I pay your government my hard earned money and enjoy not one dang thing. I am just throwing the money to the wind and then when retiring age comes I cannot get Social Security because I live in one of those undesirable countries the good ole USA has blackballed.

      Oh well Kerminator, what can I say.

      Sara
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      • Re: Broke, Broke, Broke!   by  kerminator     13 y     3,241

         

          Thanks once again for your reply and views...  I do enjoy your opinion, even though we differ on some things...   

         

          The post was really more about how the US is in debt and can not afford to continue to support many of the social programs and other money give away;  especially to many foreign countries who hate America!

         ** While the mention of Sharia Law was to point out that if the US does not get it's house in order, there will be some big changes coming,  that many will not like...   The result could be a Grand Depression, or Chinese Monetary Takeover or the outside possibility of going with some form of Sharia Law!  

        Sharia law works in Islamic countries because everyone is Muslim and then there has been trillions of oil dollars poured into the Islamic countries over the past hundred years...  

         While I have not been to Jordan; I have had boots on the ground; in Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and the UAE,  countries and have seen how a relative welfare state exist propped up by oil dollars and Western Technology!  I have also been to Tunis, Egypt, Lebanon, Aden, Somalia, and Zanzibar, which are more like Jordan...

          Please keep your post coming, while I may not agree with them all, I do enjoy your different point of view...  Remember just because some does not agree with you does not mean that you need to stop writting!

          I do have some correspondence from some contacts in Egypt and Jeddah Arabia... 

          Look forward to your posts...

         

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        • Re: Broke, Broke, Broke!   by  mo123     13 y     3,020     1 of 1 (100%)
          I must say this, and that is that I respond to you because of your tact and kindness. Most are just so positive Islam is bad and that is it and your posts remind me of what a true Christian should be and that is "understanding."

          Now for more to understand the mindset of true Muslims then you have to understand that we object to American funds being funneled in as we as citizens see nothing. There are new castles and new hospitals in the name of America but poor Muslims see little or nothing.

          We believe in self support and so I understand your feelings on sending money out when American citizens are broke. This has been my complaint all along even when I was in America.

          Really Saudi Arabia and the UAE can't be compared to us as we are a poor country. I can't say we are the most religious country but we do not practice some of the more strict customs such as cutting hands off for stealing as they do in Saudi.

          We love our King as he is fair and generous. Well wish you well. As you say, many of your posts I do not agree with but I do read occasionally.

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          • Re: Broke, Broke, Broke!   by  kerminator     13 y     3,137

             

             Thanks lady, for your kind words; all I seek is the Will of God on my pathway and the Truth to guide me!

             Yes, I know that Jordan is not so high and mighty as some of the other Islamic countries...    Have been on both sides of Saudi and did not like the way they operated...  It is especially bad to be out in public on Fridays, as they like to require foreigners to watch the justice courts...  It was like being between two worlds! 

              If I ever get to Jordan, maybe  we could do lunch sometime!

             I know some people who have worked in Amman some years back for Marriott...

             

             One thing I have learned is that the world is not about vengeance and killing; as some think and practice...

              Love will over come the greed and corruption of the world...

             

             

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          • Re: Broke, Broke, Broke!   by  kerminator     12 y     2,945

            Sara;

            Reviewing some comments I think you for your honest views...


            While I can agree that not all Muslim people are the same... But it must should be understood that in it's 1400 history Islam has been a very hostile and dangerous religion for any and all non Muslim people it meets!

            Yes, some of the so called Christian nations have engaged in wars and some violence through out history, yet not the extent of and continuing violence { even today} of the Islamic religion!

            My reply is not for contention but to just express an over view of the difference between both religions..

            You certainly have a better open attitude and good view of people, maybe because you have seen both religious systems at work up close!

            Thank you once more for your views...

            May God Bless You!
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