Has anyone here had chronic UTIs and continued liver/gallbladder flushes safely? I’d been doing monthly liver flushes for 13 months and was finally starting to feel better when I developed a stubborn klebsiella UTI. Most of the advice in a popular FB flush group advises to stop flushing if you have a UTI. I did but now my liver and gallbladder are in pain again. I’ve tried smaller measures but feel I really need the effect of a full flush. I just saw a post from someone that says his kidney pain resolved after continuing with flushes. Hoping someone in my shoes can chime in here.   [End]
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The original story The original story: https://www.facebook.com/groups/gallstone/permalink/10161847920099469   [End]
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Thanks for the post. May I ask how long you were on the Urso before you experienced benefits? It’s definitely a great substance with incredible benefits.   [End]
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After 7 years of pain I tried all the natural remedies of apple cider, liver flush remedies with no help. I’ve been to the emergency room 3 times with shortness of breath and infection, my doctor told me to remove my gallbladder but I refused 3 times. I lived 7 years with pain and tightness on my right rib and had inflammation my whole body to the point i even developed a fatty liver. But I still insisted to my doctor that I don’t wanna remove my gallbladder. So I forced the doctor to write for me a prescription of ursodiol (ursofalk) to try to see if we can’t win the fi ...
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My Gallstone Journey: A Testimony of Healing by David Shalom Egemole After giving birth through a C-section in February last year, I began experiencing severe pain, and it was later discovered that I had multiple small gallstones. Over time, they increased in size. I consulted with several doctors and specialists, and most advised me to remove my gallbladder. However, I wasn’t ready to undergo surgery. Instead, I managed the pain using hot water therapy whenever I had an attack. By September, the pain had worsened significantly, and I almost gave in to surgery. However, I me ...
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These messages were posted into the ”Gallstones & Gallbladder Attack Cures and Natural Remedies Research Group” on facebook. Alexandra Jun 12 2022 · · I have done my 7th flush tonight (Hulda Clarke protocol) Had a couple of mild attacks after a 2 months pause and decided to do it. I have adjusted the protocol and find it way more friendly to carry out. I mix epsoms with 70% apple juice 30% water, and mix oil and grapefruit juice really well in a glass jar with lid and drink it with closed nose fast. Picture in comments Alexandra Sept 15 2022 THIS ... [Image Embedded Here]
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https://www.curezone.org/cleanse/liver/default.asp   [End]
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Thanks for sharing!   [End]
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You’re welcome. If only we could go back 4 years! Telman   [End]
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Four years (4 yr.) later, I would like to thank you for your most helpful reply. - Hempseed.   [End]
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I believe I’ve kept the forum up to date with most developments in relation to my digestive issues. When I was referred to a consultant at a top London teaching hospital several years ago, I became his pet guinea pig. He carried out several very extensive test, including an intestinal MRI and we both learn’t that I had an asynchronous peristalsis in my bowel causing CIPO with secondary cholelithiasis, and also a spontaneous lateral ventral hernia. Leading on from that, my name was put forward to a study on connective tissue disorders at the same hospital, and I am currently being studied b ...
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Can you keep us informed of your new info? Thanks. - Ms. Hempseed.   [End]
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Read it An interesting volume from 1965 which contains sage advice. Some it has been improved upon since as our understanding has increased. I am currently within a genetics trail within the UK and they are unearthing some great information. Thanks Telman   [End]
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Telman, your advice is good. People need to read what you have to say. Having gallstones is not the end of the world and we still need to try and have a normal life. Now, you say that your bile continues to precipitate, thereby causing chronic stone formation. Try reading Adelle Davis’ book Let’s Get Well, the chapter on gallbladder problems. You may find some helpful info there.   [End]
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My question is...what is the reason these stones form in the first place? You have done so well to keep flushing them, and yet they continue to form... If you only tolerate rice and rinsed beef, perhaps you might find the experience of Grant Genereaux interesting and insightful: https://ggenereux.blog/my-ebooks/ Do you take any supplements containing vitamin A or beta carotene? A supplement you might be interested in researching is lactoferrin: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1506633/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31626262/ I hope you are able to get the medical c ...
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drink a lot of banaba leaves. or else you will really need an operation   [End]
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Hi Telman, Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my post, I honestly wrote it on a wim one late evening, not really expecting to catch much attention. So seeing your reply caught me by surprise! I’m certain that scannings do pose errors; this has been confirmed after I removed one of my kidney stones, which wasn’t the only one, as later scannings confirmed another stone that was apparently missed the first time around. Therefore, it won’t come as a surprise if it turns out that my slow digestion is due to an obstructing yet painless gallstone. What convinces me even m ...
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I asked to be referred to a consultant, which is my right if the General Practitioner (GP) can not resolve the problem. I was also regurgitating food because my digestion was so slow and the abdominal pain was so intense 4 hrs after eating that I had to lie down. My sleep was also disturbed. In summary; severe pain, disrupted sleep and inability to keep food down meets the requirement to see a consultant. It is also worth mentioning that it had been 5 years since I first consulted with my GP with mild symptoms. Regards Telman   [End]
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Hi how did you get an MRI and assessed for the bile issue. I feel like this is what’s happening with me but I can’t get the Drs to take me seriously, they did ultrasound and exray and can’t find anything. I can’t live like this much I’m in constant discomfort no energy and everything thing I eat makes me even more tired and in agony.   [End]
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A large proportion of the population have gallstones in the gallbladder, which are usually found during scans for other medical problems. In many people they don’t cause any problems, but sometimes they obstruct the opening of the gallbladder as this results in a very uncomfortable stitch like pain. If the gallbladder struggles to contract, it can also cause inflammation of the gallbladder lining and this results in a burning pain, this can usually be detected with a blood test that shows elevated C-reactive protein (CRP). Mostly the obstruction clears itself, but sometimes it can be too l ...
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Hello, There are some symptoms that determine that people are having gallstones. 1. Sudden and rapidly intensifying pain in the upper right and centre portion of your abdomen 2. Back pain between your shoulder blades 3. Pain in your right shoulder 4. Nausea or vomiting 5. Yellowing of your skin and the whites of your eyes (jaundice) 6. High fever with chills Seek immediate care if you develop signs and symptoms of a serious gallstone complication.   [End]
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There are three conditions that determine whether you have gallstones. 1. Elevated liver markers in the blood such as albumin and bilirubin. Elevated blood works such as yours indicate that somewhere in the body may be some infection. 2. Pain in the upper right quadrant that radiates outwards as in intensifies. 3. Thickening of the gallbladder walls. Ultrasound in the right hands is very good at detecting gallstones but the doctor should send you to see a consultant if the symptoms continue and they affect you life and sleep. You need a clear plan to get your doctor to send you to a ...
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Hi everyone I started liver flushing many years ago and I’ve successfully passed many stones, all ranging from small green stones to large black ones. I think the liver flushes resolved some of my prior health issues, to which I’m very grateful for. However, a few years ago I started to develop pain below my right rib after eating fatty foods or certain sugars, which has effectively forced me to follow a strict diet. This was tolerable at first, but afterwards I started to develop constipation and hot flashes after certain meals and I’ve noticed that whenever I’m experiencing hot ...
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Just want to say, issue is resolved! Thank u for the help and replies! Doing well now. Will keep them up in the future.   [End]
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Thank you! I am over the hump! I panicked. I was ready to do just that. My ND said to drink some Bentonite and drink dandelion tea. I don’t think anything was stuck, but jammed up. I had been doing these for years and this never happened. It was a crappy two days, for sure. Thanks again! PS, I will save this for the next time!   [End]
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Thank you! I am over the hump! I panicked. I was ready to do just that. My ND said to drink some bentonite and drink dandelion tea. I don’t think anything was stuck, but jammed up. I had been doing these for years and this never happened. It was a crappy two days, for sure. Thanks again!   [End]
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I have experienced this on more than one occasion. If it is painful then take a strong solution of Epsom salts, 25 grams per 100 ml. If it isn’t painful then wait as long as you can, at least a week, preferably 2 weeks, and then do another flush if the pale stools are continuing. After you have a productive flush you can get temporary jaundice as the sludge is cleared from the biliary system. There are also plenty of Yoga and other types of stretches to help get the biliary sludge moving. Just type ”gallbladder stretches” into a search engine.   [End]
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never had that problem myself but i am told that epsom salts is yoru friend. try another dose and try to pass it laying down. thats my guess.   [End]
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Need Help! Did a liver flush Sunday night into monday. Got 2 stones over an inch. Today, Tuesday, my BM’s are colourless. I have done many flushes before and this never happened. I also feel dizzy and hot and cold. Nauseous after drinking celery juice which i have every morning. Should I do another? Not sure what to do.   [End]
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Yes, you can still buy everything from Bristol Botanicals or G Baldwin & Co.   [End]
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TYVM, Telman   [End]
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‘’Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy… It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. Diet, injections(vaccines) and injunctions will combine, from very early age, to produce the sort of charact ...
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Hi KrazyCat No; fibre will not diminish the liver-flush. Regards Telman   [End]
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Would a liver flush fail if you took fiber the day before? I have been doing flushes for years, but never tried fiber the day before. It isn’t a supplement as Dr Clark says not to take. Only goes thru the gut and intestines?   [End]
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i know you can do keto without a gallbladder but if someone would be kindly enough to explain a bit more i had mine removed recently, if you can tell me your current weight, and how much fat and protein you eat. thank you so much Jason.   [End]
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Enteroliths is a general definition that covers a spectrum of objects found in the gut. Primary enteroliths form in the small intestines and when they get to a certain size they are unable to pass through the ileocecal valve so cause problems obstructing the flow of food matter but not completely blocking the gut. They become a concretion. Also sometimes called a bezoar which more usually indigestible matter such a seeds, and do not pass. However, there isn’t a logical reason why they should get moving given the right conditions. They either pass or get stuck causing an acute event. There ...
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Thanks Telman! I really appreciate the humility and conscientiousness in your reply. I will check out with a gastroenterologist. Knowing your suggestions, I’ll now have some pointers - I was a little dismayed when the primary health doctor had no idea what the item was, but your insight makes sense and I’m sure a gastro specialist would go further in that direction. Your question about pain is really insightful. No, in general lately (ie, the past several months) I’m strong and in good spirits, have good digestion, no abdominal pain - but this is after a long journey of finding the rig ...
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Hi Before treating anything you need a good diagnosis because bowels are a nightmare to treat and the wrong treatment nearly always makes things worse. I have only presented a hypothesis and now it needs to be proved or eliminated. It is thought that diverticulum are a results of dysfunctional bowel movement also known as intestinal dyskinesia or intestinal dysmotility. The reason it has so many names is because bowels are not in my opinion a highly developed are of science. Bowel problems are always dismissed as IBS or self inflicted lifestyle conditions. Treatment options take so l ...
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Hi Telman, Thank you so much for your insight- that make sense! My mom had diverticulitis. Except, it is also so scary to hear. Wow. Do you have any recommendations for healing or managing? With respect to the pictures from years ago, I always thought it was parasites..   [End]
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There is a condition called Jejunoileal diverticula which can form enteroliths which are very light in colour consisting mainly of pus. I note your post from 3 to 4 years ago where you show a picture of your stool with a white occlusion which appear to be the contents of a diverticulum. The discharge can precipitate in the ilium where in forms a more solid ”polished” enterolith such as your picture shows. A simple search for Jejunoileal diverticulum may give you more information.   [End]
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I suspect these objects are from the liver or gallbladder, as they don’t look like they would form in the gut. However, Telman has suggested there are stones that form in the small intestine where bile can pool. The condition is exceedingly rare. I can’t remember the name of it.   [End]
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Thank you much! And yes, appreciate and recognize your reticence to say what these things are. These do have a waxy over, and the inside isn’t hard and calcified, but seems like some soapy white wax. I could do a liver flush.. I have before. I’m wondering though, if this could be related to one of two things: first is I’m doing ozone rectal insufflation lately, helping me with some old viruses.. so wondering if it could be my gallbladder or liver cleaning themselves out? Or if it could someone be the reaction of ozone with something in the colon? Alternatively, I recently went from ...
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Generally speaking, gallstones are either waxy green all the way through, or calcified, either with a calcified crust or completely calcified. What you have posted here are very unusual. They look like they could be calcified stones with a coating of cholesterol, although that would be an odd reversal of the typical pattern. I doubt anyone on curezone will be able to identify them accurately, although maybe Telman will have some insights. The best way to proceed might be to do a series of standard liver flushes, to see if you can produce more of these. This might help to validate their ori ...
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Hi all! I’m wondering if anyone can help me. Lately I’ve been having intestinal pain and diarrhea, and then have been passing these weird things floating on the top that look like yellow earplugs. They are fatty around the outside and have some soft white but crusty thing in them. Googling seems to imply they are cholesterol gallstones but.. can they be that big?? Why isn’t it painful to pass? Can it be some parasite? Otherwise I feel very healthy and energetic! What is going on? Here are some pics: [Image Embedded Here]   [End]
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I hope you don’t mind me jumping in. Steve888 is correct regarding magnesium citrate (natural calm) relaxing the biliary system. However, it is not bitter, so I don’t believe it contracts the gallbladder the way magnesium sulfate does. This is a side benefit of magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) that has been detailed elsewhere by Telman. I prefer using magnesium citrate because it does not produce the intense dehydration and diarrhea associated with epsom salts. The overall hangover from flushing this way seems less intense, although any trapped emotions associated with stone removal will st ...
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Relationship between neck pain and Gallbladder The theory is that dysfunctional muscles in the neck and along the vagus nerve affect the function of the gallbladder. Sometimes there is a trigger point in one of the muscles that can be released by massage or exercise. Some people opt for acupuncture but most have to find a solution themselves. If you search for ”gallbladder meridian stretch” it will take you to some videos of stretches that you can try. Searching for ”Gallbladder trigger points” will take you to a number of interesting articles which will explain the relationship betw ...
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Chances are very low using natural calm as it opens the ducts and reduces liver/gb pain very quickly. I use this brand of gold coin grass: https://www.amazon.com/gold-coin-grass/s?k=gold+coin+grass&rh=p_89%3AHawaiiPharm if you can’t get it in the UK you may be able to order directly from them in Hawaii. https://www.hawaiipharm.com/index.php?route=facebook_store/product&product_id=2906&tag=gold+coin+grass+tincture   [End]
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Hi Steve. Thanks for taking the time to reply very kind. I’m always terrified of taking anything other than epsom salts as having had the jump off a cliff type GB pain i’m worried that it could happen again.... Do you know what the chances of that happening are compared to the epsom salts? Also, are you in the UK? if so could i ask where you buy your gold coin grass from please? I keep meaning to get some to take daily as a precaution against new stone formation. Thanks so much Jen x   [End]
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If you are doing epsom salt as part of the flush I would leave that out and use natural calm magnesium powder as it is more body friendly and still effective to open up the liver/gallbladder ducts. You can also do castor oil packs over the liver area. I have also found taking gold coin grass tincture will help break down the stones. Steve   [End]
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Shoulder pain leading to awful headaches with confusion. These headaches seem to be linked to what I eat for sure. I am right off wheat which has helped but I am still getting chronically locked shoulder and then neck and medium headaches. I’m guessing that this is gallbladder related, phrenic nerve blockage? I have a history of stones which has also caused me a lymph problem. I have successfully completed around 5 flushes over the years but haven’t done one recently as my kidneys are struggling and I know the flushes are very hard on them. Can anybody recommend a way to get the inf ...
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Primary enteroliths most certainly can consist of precipitated bile but may also e carbonate or other salts in combination. Secondary enteroliths are from the biliary system so commonly are bile. The formation is a clue whether they are faceted or bulbous. The only certain way of knowing would be to have them analysed. I have read about white stones forming in the base of the gallbladder and there are pictures: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5772062/bin/CG-CGCR170090F001.jpg   [End]
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Why wouldn’t the bile be right?   [End]
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There are also secondary enteroliths that form in the biliary system. The composition of the bile isn’t quite right and the protective chemical are low so that the surfaces of the bile ducts and gallbladder are irritated causing a cox 2 reaction. Cox 2 or to give it its full name cyclooxygenase-2 is an enzyme responsible for inflammation and pain. You can turn of the pain with Cox-2 inhibiters but there are natural alternatives. I have thought that when ones liver-flushes it not only clears out the garbage but also any protective mucus lining the bile ducts, exposing the bile ducts to t ...
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Hi Telman, That’s very interesting. I had no idea there was such a thing as an enterolith. To further clarify, my motility is excellent. No constipation issues. I seem to have visceral pain caused by an overheated liver and cholestasis. I was finally diagnosed with mobile gallstones a year ago. Most of my problems are emotional in origin (anger) but also lifestyle. I gave up a modest but chronic alcohol habit which has helped. The object I saw was more like the ones you described after your 16th flush, which came out a day or more later (mine did, too) and seemed to originate in t ...
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These white stones as described sound like they are primary enterolith that have formed, usually in the ilium, from mucus. The upper bowel is irritated by something, either dysfunction of lifestyle and is protecting itself with mucus. When this mucus reaches the ilium it precipitates into hard putty like formation. I had them and showed them to my entero-gastrologist who explained what he thought they were. I was later diagnosed with a condition called CIPO. Note: that is you do have a bowel dysfunction affecting the ilium it will always result in secondary biliary problems because the ...
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Very interesting. Thanks!   [End]
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Cayenne pepper acts as a carrier of any herb you combine it with. It open up the blood vessels and helps the gold coin grass go deeper into the liver/GB.   [End]
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Hi there. I’m up to my 13th flush. Still waiting for the darned gallbladder to get in the game (although I did release one stone last time around that was nearly white through and through, consistency of hard putty, not waxy). You mentioned cayenne pepper. Can you elaborate on how it helps with the GCG supplementation? I agree that malic acid is a dud.   [End]
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Thanks a lot guys. Will definitely get some gold coin grass ASAP. Really appreciate it! I’m making a powerful tea out of Chinese bitters atm and that seems to be making a difference. I’ve heard Chamomile tea is a good softener too. Looking forward to the next flush. Has anyone here completely emptied there liver/gallbladder of stones? Andreas said he did and he looked very healthy! Thanks again   [End]
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Andy I found Gold Coin Grass to be very effective at reducing the burning pain I associated with inflammation in the gallbladder bile ducts. I took it as a tea made from super fine powder. It was not a cure and a few weeks after stopping it the problems returned. Changing the way I eat was just as good as any herbal regime. Smaller meals of better quality food. Telman   [End]
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I didn’t have much success with chanca compared to the gold coin grass.   [End]
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Hey Steve888, Really appreciate your advice. Thanks a lot! I will jump on that ASAP. Also looking into chanca piedra, it looks promising. Thanks again, Andy   [End]
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I’ve had excellent results releasing stones with gold coin grass tincture. I take 3 dropper fulls throughout the day. I also take a cayenne capsule once/day to help carry the tincture into the gallbladder/liver. The result is I can physically feel my liver and gallbladder opening up and releasing stones/sludge. I’ve been on the malic acid for a few months with very limited success. For me the gold coin works way better. Here’s the one I use: https://www.amazon.com/Alcohol-FREE-Lysimachia-Christinae-Glycerite-Supplement/dp/B01A3PBZLE/ref=sr_1_5?crid=O9EPB9HREJEC&keywords=gold+coin+grass& ...
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Hey guys. I’ve been flushing on and off for about 10 years but went full on with it last year flushing every two weeks. I just can’t get rid of this blockage I feel in my gallbladder area. A numb dull pain. My flushes always produce great results but this pain comes back very quickly and is so disheartening. I’ve been reading a few other post and sounds like I might have one big stone that is causing this to happen. My plan atm is to go very hard on malic acid for two weeks (maybe 2tblsp per day) to hopefully soften what might be a big stone there. What do you guys think? Any advice o ...
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How many flushes did it take? Was there a time when your gallbladder started to wake up?   [End]
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It has been verified that my gallstones are GONE! After some 3-4 years of dealing with gallstones and the sporadic lengthy attacks the last self treatment did dissolve the stones and none were seen 4 days ago on ultrasound. I was so tickled when the technician asked ” who told me I had gallstones ??”...the same hospital. ( as if the attacks were mistakeable with something else ) I just got the radiologist’s report which marks it official. wooohoooo. PS. I did not do another liver flush.   [End]
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Since I see that people still read messages I thought I will give a follow up.I am still plugging away with this old body and besides the Betaine HCL & Pepsin I have added Dipan-9 for the pancreas, they are pancreatic enzymes. I don’t know how the body works and learn from all the reading I do. So my guess is since my 1” gallstone is almost 1/2 the size of the gallbladder there is not much space left for storage, so the liver and pancreas have to work harder. I take them after every meal.Then yesterday I felt sick and I remembered from Curezone’s time my gallbladder attacks were never ver ...
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From what I’ve read on this site, the kind of juice you use is unimportant. Fresh is always best but hardly necessary. People have even done the flush without adding juice. The acidity in the juice potentiates the release of gallstones, but it is the fat that matters more (and the Epsom salts). Good luck!   [End]
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I really need to do a flush NOW. There is no organic red grapefruit available until mid November. I had frozen fresh squeezed a while back. Do you think it would be OK to use that, or does anyone have another suggestion? Thank you.   [End]
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Hi Steve, okay thank you. I think possibly a stone is stuck in a Duct. I’ve taken some Malic acid and will Keep doing that and hope it will find its way out. Just wish the rotten headache would go ! Any tips from anyone gratefully received. Thank you X   [End]
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I use 2Tbsp of natural calm magnesium in hot water to get rid of the aching.   [End]
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Thank you, I’ll try to get hold of them. I’m getting A bit of aching in my gallbladder so I’m wondering if some little stones are trapped   [End]
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A couple of things that have helped me get through detoxing faster are activated charcoal and bentonite clay in a big glass of water. Mops up the toxins/stones/sludge released from the flush. Also taking raw ginger or ginger caps will cut back any nausea.   [End]
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Hi everyone, looking for advice please. I’ve done around five Moritz liver flushes but The one I did last night was the first one I’ve done for around five months, so too long a gap really. Unfortunately I messed it up a bit as I felt very sick and so didn’t take my last glass of Epsom salts this morning. I have a really rotten headache today and aside from drinking gallons of water I wonder if anybody can advise me on something to help me detoxify quicker ? I’ve just taken a heaped Teaspoon of Epsom salts in lemon juice and water. many thanks in advance   [End]
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You need to do liver flush. Check out Dr. Hulda Clark’s Liver Flush recipe. After a few flushes two to three weeks apart, you can fast. Gall stones take a while to be eaten by the body. Good wishes, Archus   [End]
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as many as it takes to get rid of all symptoms .... nobody knows how many flushes you may need ... WS   [End]
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Anyone know anything about gallstones and fasting? Doctor says I have a good sized gallstone. I want to fast a while. Will it help?   [End]
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Hi. I was wondering how many liver flushes does it take to get rid of all the gallstones? I’ve done 14 so far and a lot of stones are still coming out, different sizes And still have pain in the liver area. Would love to hear from someone who was in the same situation.   [End]
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That is spiny-headed worm actually called Acanthocephala. :   [End]
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Hi Hanna, Great to hear that the TMJ worked so well to lower the homocysteine levels. I know that vitamin b6 and i think b12 are also implicated to keep levels down. As I’m getting older I dread doing the liver flushes - they’ve always been gruesome and difficult for me. I admire how many you’ve done. all good things and great to hear from u too   [End]
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Good to hear from you Peggy, yes I remember we talked to eachother several times. Must say my stone has been pretty quiet over the years, only a couple of times a year it acted up and I drank warm water with epsom salts, go to bed, and in 20 minutes the pain would disappear. This time it was my stomach and no pain in the gallbladder area. I had to guess it came from the gallbladder since I had tried a Keto diet (too much fat, may be). It is always a guessing game, but since my scan was ok I assumed it might be the gallbladder. I do take vitamin B6 plus all B’s. Last year I went to a f ...
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HI Hanna, Its really good to see you are still around and doing ok. We talked abit in the liver flushing forum from memory - some years ago. I wanted to share that my digestive health and bloating has improved noticeably using vitamin b6 in the form of p5p which I take in divided doses, and the last one at night before sleeping. It has noticable calming properties as well - and helps me to get off to sleep. Here is an interesting website link: https://stomachbloating.net/vitamin-b6-benefits-for-bloating-and-digestive-health/ Regarding my liver flushes I still to this day a ...
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I was planning to do a new post but since you also talk about the stomach I thought I could fit in here. My history is a 1” gallstone since ~2000. Did liver flushing (~100) for several years but since the stone =1” it too big to come out. I never tell my family when I am not well, they start pressing me to see a doctor and I try first to solve problems on my own. Now I feel better I wrote the following to my family. ent this to my family) It is called never give up, though it is very time consuming to research everything. It is also a slow progress because to figure out what is wron ...
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Your doctor is not so bright if you complain of right upper quad pain and then doesn’t immediately look at your gallbladder - not that testing is accurate. First thought when you said antibiotics is that it won’t do squat for sibo except maybe some palliative postponing of the issue. BUT then you say you’re passing gallstones (yes those are gallstones, also found in the liver) from the antibiotics - so whatever you’re doing is good. You might try a liver flush or 12 to speed things up. Gluten free diet, not too much animal protein, beet juice, pear juice, maybe carrot juice, raw egg ...
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Long story short, I have been suffering for 4 months from severe RUQ pain, cramps, bloating, burning, diarrhea, etc. Finally was diagnosed with SIBO and I’ve started treatment with an awesome functional medicine doctor. Antibiotics, a bunch of great natural GI supplements, diet cleanup, the usual stuff people have success with. However, she did not think SIBO explained all the RUQ pain and noises I’ve been getting. I did Dr Schulze’s L-GB Formula ( https://www.herbdoc.com/l-gb-formula )... and it made things a little worse but I finished the 5 days. I’m now on antibiotics for my SIBO so ...
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Definitely a gallbladder attack. I took Pulverexx for my pain. It got rid of it within hours and then at the end of the program I released hundreds of gallstones. Since then no more pain. I am starting one more cleanse again. Don’t want to go thru that again.   [End]
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I am 58 years old and I think I have been experiencing a gallbladder attack. I also get shoulder pain when I get the attack.   [End]
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I just put. In two drops of eucalyptus oil and thought I was going to show up and pass out at the same time as the enema   [End]
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For the past 3 weeks I have been having sharp pains in the right side of my stomach and have been feeling extremely nauseous afterwards. It lasts for around 20-30 minutes but seems like it is getting worse. I have done some searching and believe it could have something to do with my gallbladder, however im not sure.. I am on a decent diet but have been eating out more in recent months. Is there any types of foods that I should be avoiding specifically? and is there anything else I should look out for? And what can I do to minimize the pain / reduce the effects overall?   [End]
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Thank you for sharing!   [End]
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Thank you for sharing, I hope you are recovering well   [End]
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Left side   [End]
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Yes you can!   [End]
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Thank you for sharing! Hope you are better now   [End]
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Very useful info, thanks!   [End]
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I hope you are feeling better now, thank you for sharing your story   [End]
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This was helpful!   [End]
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Thank you for sharing, I hope you are feeling better   [End]
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Thank you for sharing your story. Best wishes to you and I hope your recovery is smooth   [End]
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Thanks for the helpful info. Hope this helps many people   [End]
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Worked wonders for myself. Would suggest it to anyone   [End]
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What’s your daily water intake? Would help to know   [End]
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what types of water do u personally drink?   [End]
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shouldnt 1/4 to 1/2 tsp of salt be mixed in each litre of water? and drink half ur body weight in ounces of water?   [End]
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I know its an old post but with regard to enemas, only recently did i start doing them and its not like you might think. I also didnt and still dont have an enema bag. Also called.. Dare i say a Douchebag ha! I was in so much pain.. Often stopped up.. Eyes glassy blurry. I had/have them in my nose and ears. At least 2 tapeworms and ive recently come to realize that a reddish purple knot on my left calf is an old heavily scarred tick bite. Opens up a whole set of new issues but things are finally beginnibg to make sense. I went to target bought a standard 2 pack of fleet enemas $1.99. Ke ...
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flukes ,, parasites   [End]
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flukes ,, parasites   [End]
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So these came out yesterday in a routine coffee enema. Never seen them before, but there was a lot of rumbling in my lower intestine. I wasn’t sure if they were some sort of stone or if they were alive at some point. They don’t compress much if I squeeze them but they shred a bit if I apply pressure in different direction. There was a lot too, not just these three. Some were a bit stringier and some were more round. I think some may have had blood vessels or tracts of some sort but it was hard to tell. https://www.curezone.org/ig/i.asp?i=99667   [End]
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Its not, you will see a new sign of them everyday, check your arms and face before u cook, check your teeth 3 xs a day .you can not be too clean, you will have to clean your place completely, but u dont have no other choice than to be very deligent.   [End]
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Seriously? i have expelled prolly a million of them. using icu protocol twice, my protocol lots of times, i thought turpentine was supposed to be good. just today passed 5 huge corn nut looking things maybe as big as a quarter, me weighing 95 pounds how could all this fit in there?   [End]
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Great story. Many people will be helped by this information. Causes one to wonder how many GB surgeries could be avoided with this protocol.   [End]
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That is a helluva story! Congrats. How is your sister doing now? And I am dying to know just what the doctor in charge thinks of all this.   [End]
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Hello all, I wanted to come back to my old postings and share cure of this awfull situation. Basically, I was diagnosed with SIBO. I didn’t think my digestive issues were that terrible, but I guess they were. I went on the antibiotic, xifaxan for two weeks and I took it twice a day. Also, as maintenance, I take a shot of sauerkraut juice first thing in the morning and also take Align and Culturelle later on in the day (Align with lunch and Culturelle with dinner). I feel like I have my life back. I’m honestly so happy and wanted to share just in case someone else could benefit from this.
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10 years ago I started taking medication for Acne and stopped after many treatments that lasted about 6 months each. My cholesterol levels were very high during the treatments due to the medication which my doctor considered ”normal”. I developed this pain on my right shoulder/neck shortly after that and never realized it could be related to stones until I came across Dr. Clark’s flush. I went to many hospitals, specialists and did many exams. The closest I got from a clue of what’s happening to me was during an ultrasound when the doctor asked me if I had eaten anything that day because m ...
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Claudia, many women have problems with drinking all 4 doses of epsom salts. Every flush is different, and symptoms people experience during the liver flush and after the flush are often different from person to person and from flush to flush . One of the possible reasons why you felt this flush was much more difficult could be because this time your body recognized Epsom Salt as a foreign substance that caused the diarrhea last time. If I were you, I would have taken just half of the amount of epsom salt the next time. Or even 1/3 . Flush can also be done without epsom salt ...
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Hello, 10 years ago I started taking medication for acne and stopped after many treatments that lasted about 6 months each. My cholesterol levels were very high during the treatments due to the medication which my doctor considered ”normal”. I developed this pain on my right shoulder/neck shortly after that and never realized it could be related to stones until I came across Dr. Clark’s flush. I went to many hospitals, specialists and did many exams. The closest I got from a clue of what’s happening to me was during an ultrasound when the doctor asked me if I had eaten anything that day ...
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I have had gallbladder issues for many years and done many liver/gallbladder flushes over the last 10 yrs. More recently I came across The Pulverexx Protocol to get rid of gallstones and had the best results ever. I highly recommend it. You can google it and look at the site www.doctoreden.com. Not only will you have great results, but you will have wonderful support by way of an awesome website that also has many helpful videos, and you can email or call for personalized help. Mario (Doctor Eden) is wonderful. You also get a very helpful booklet on Gallstones that is extremely helpful.Fro ...
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Having been fighting tapeworms and neurocysticerosis for a very lomg time, I can tell you that its probably a whole lot.   [End]
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Liver congestion (hence gallbladder congestion and gallbladder pain) are the CAUSE of allergies. You can find hundreds (if not thousands) of posts of people that have eliminated allergies completely via liver flushing and decongesting their livers. Carving out the gallbladder only got rid of the *symptom* of the liver congestion. Until that is resolved, the problems will persist (and health will worsen and food options will lessen).   [End]
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This very interesting message was posted on another forum: Quote: Six months ago, my “gallbladder” pains (I had my gallbladder removed four years ago) became so bad that I lost my will to eat, and was suffering severe panic attacks. I started taking something called Sermorelin for the pain and panic, and it helped a little. Then finally, I found a G.I. doctor that ordered some tests instead of just telling me to take a PPI (though she said that, also...i think they all do). The labs from my results came back with a separate G.I. disease that was, I quote: “believed to be ca ...
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The only way to know the answer is to perform a liver/gallbladder flush and then thoroughly investigate each visit to the toilet. I found all sorts of species of parasites in mine. It’s scary at first but at least you will know what you are dealing with. I used the hulda clark liver flush. It’s important to note that before you try that you should have performed a good parasite cleanse first.   [End]
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I don’t know the precise answer to your questions but have a few thoughts for you to consider. There are stool tests available for parasites. Nothing is perfect. They may have some percentage of false negatives; however it is something to consider. Hopefully you have looked up the symptoms of various parasites. When my stool test reported two of them--one unidentifiable--my symptoms matched the one identified parasite quite well. The symptoms went away quite promptly after less than a week on medication. Rule of thumb is that light colored stools tend to suggest a reduced am ...
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Hey - how did u know your GB and ducts were full of parasites? I feel I have the same issue but don’t know how to check !! Cheers   [End]
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Hey - I know this is a very old thread - but very interested in how you knew your gallbladder and ducts were full of parasites? I feel I have the same but have no way of knowing apart from constant liver and GB pain. Any info would be great. Will   [End]
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DO NOT use too much eucalyptus,,, it can be very strong, i hav gotten ill the first time using too much   [End]
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Mama Rosa on utube has all types of info on making her own hydrotherapy colon cleanse, taking biofilm out of eyes, kjeep your system clean,,,, etc... Shes great, check her out,,, whos gonna make a video on here??   [End]
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Just reaching out again for any advice on gallbladder inflammation. I think the swelling is going down a little but still getting cramps when I eat so stones/gravel are obviously still in ducts. Don’t want to eat much oil so as to trigger bad attack but had a wee bit of coconut oil st tea time. Any comments gratefully received , thanks 😊   [End]
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Hi, thanks for replying. I haven’t massaged whilst doing a pack but can do. Is there any particular way- guessing to right? Also where do I find out about the foot massage please? Thank you!   [End]
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When you do castor oil packs, do you do any massage of your gallbladder ? Are you slim, slightly overweight or overweight ? Try also foot zone massage! WS   [End]
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Dear CZers, I would like the benefit of your wisdom if I may. I’ve been aware of and doing flushes on my GB for some 10 years but due to circs, not as many as I have needed. Every so often I have GB inflammation for which I take herbs and usually Epsom salts which clears the problem. This time though I have swelling of the tum and the problem is taking longer to go. I’ve been on a veg juice fast for 4 days but yesterday had some homemade soup, without fat in. Does anyone have any ideas, do you think the fast could actually be hindering recovery? I tended to think it’s resting the GB but ...
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I just completed my first Hulda Clark liver/gallbladder cleanse and OMG! https://www.curezone.org/upload/Parasites/20180302_105641.jpg I cannot tell you how scary it was to work up the courage to drink this epsom salt mixture and olive oil/grapefruit concoction but I have to say it was so worth it and there was absolutely no pain. My only complaint was having to fast but that’s almost over now. I cannot believe all the things I found. So far it appears I have passed many gallstones(the green things) Liver flukes which I was not surprised about but still hoped I wouldn’t see, and also what ...
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Well, you have got to do something, I will list a detox that will work even with eating..... Sonne's #7 Detoxificant You can get this at a health food store and I myself have used this and it works really well for me. Also Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) and look at the bennifits of this after you do the detox as this will clean your gallbladder and liver and kidneys and bladder! I use NutriBiotic Vegan GSE liquid Concentrate. Here is a website with info and if you need more you can google it. This is an excellent website!   [End]
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Too weak. Not digesting fat, down to 117 lbs.   [End]
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Due to SIBO and lectin issues, I can only eat meat, fish and a few select vegetables. Beans, fiber and any lectin foods kill me. So I am stuck with the diet I have to survive at this time. I am first focusing on the gallbladder, then will focus on SIBO. I was only asking asking about the safety of cirrhosis and liver flushes, not diet as my ND who used to work with the infamous Dr Gonzalez, is helping me With that, but thanks for ur suggestions anyway.   [End]
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Do you have a donor for a new liver? if you don’t then I would not stop doing them. Id also take supplements like milk thistle, etc. Stones are made out of cholesterol and bile and bilirrubin. What is cholesterol mostly, saturated fat. Saturated fat is a very dense type of fat that makes your bile stop being liquid and fomring stones. Saturated fats come from animal products but also from these hydrogenated trans fat oils, from all the processed food we eat, even bread is made with these nasty oils. And from all the refined sugars and refined pasta we eat which ends up conv ...
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I have been doing liver flushes for some time now. My question is, since I have early stage cirrhosis, is continuing them wise? I got a lot of large stones out recently, but when I ate the next day, I had a lot of discomfort from my gallbladder. I am wondering if cirrhosis makes it more difficult, if not impossible, to clean the liver. I also wonder if the oil keeps making more and more stones. Does anyone have solid experience with this? Would love to hear from someone with cirrhosis that has had success with this.   [End]
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The answer is Yes! https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2339301#i https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2149687#i1 Several other stories on this page: https://www.curezone.org/forums/s2.asp?f=751&c=14&ob=v   [End]
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I have a full package of large stones. What should I do now? They do not trouble me unless I eat a high fat meal few times per week. My question is that ”Is there anyone who actually had ultrasound found stones then did another ultra sound after flush and found less or no stone”?   [End]
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You can flush!   [End]
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Hello! I have gallstones so looking to do the liver and gallbladder flush. I did it three weeks ago and flushed out about 160 stones. According to Andreas Moritz, you shouldn’t be acutely sick when doing the flush. For some reason, Starting this morning I’m having very loose stools, some may even call it diarrhea. This is the sixth day, and I haven’t drank any epsom salts yet. I’m guessing it’s due to all the apple juice I’ve been drinking? Usually with diarrhea, I feel weak and sick, but I’m not feeling that now. Should I wait a few days and then do the full on flush or should I go a ...
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That I’m not too sure of I think their suppose to come out on their own. I take pine needle oil or turpentine internally and in a bath for my systemic bacterial infection worms were never my issue I had to give myself an enema before and I know people use essential oils sometimes when doing it just be careful not to use too much they are very potent and concentrated and will get into your systemic system when doing it.   [End]
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Thanks! New to all this. Last one was a disaster. How do you catch the worms then?   [End]
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You can lay on your back and do it it’s much easier that way and I’m sure you can use the eucalyptus oil with water   [End]
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