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Re: Can fruitarians do liver flushes?? by Kcirla 20 days 356

I’ve done MANY liver flushes (probably more than 25). The two first times no stones came out. Third time, brown stones, probably a hundred or more. Then green stones started to come out of me by thousands. And then one day, nothing no more, for many consecutive flushes. 2 years after I went back to liver flushing after being on a low fat diet for so long, and stones again. ... ... I’ve expulsed some of these stones with beet juice or coffee enemas alone. Nothing to do with olive oil. ... ... If you submit these stones for analysis, they will tell you it is not gallstones, because the gallstones they ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Can fruitarians do liver flushes?? by natway 20 days 85

I’ve been on an 80-10-10 ratio diet for months now (I still eat cooked foods) and did a liver flush not too long ago and nothing happened. Like nothing. I think liver flushes are mostly bunk, but it won’t be harmful if you want to try. I recommend you just be patient and let the fruits and low-fat diet naturally clean and detox your system. ... ... I also recommend that if someone makes any claims that you ask if they actually have done it or gotten results, or at least provide some scientific evidence or real-world success stories of other people. ... ... And don’t be afraid of all the scare tac ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Can fruitarians do liver flushes?? by Kcirla 20 days 81

The 80 10 10 diet is about the only diet that I didn’t try, at least for more than a few days. ... ... Dr Graham doesn’t really know what he is talking about regarding health in general, but I have to say he is right that fats and carbs don’t mix well together. Actually this is the same for every food group, they don’t mix well together. ... ... If you must have an avocado, consume it at the end of the day, it is less likely to cause any problems. In a healthy individual, even a balance of 60-20-20 wouldn’t cause issues. [End]

Re: Can fruitarians do liver flushes?? by SpiritualHeartYogi 21 days 80

Thank you for your response. What is your take on avocados in the 80/10/10 diet? Is 1-2 a day bad? ... ... I am exercising daily. Usually 10-20 miles of intense mountain biking. [End]

Re: Can fruitarians do liver flushes?? by Kcirla 21 days 106

Actually, very low fat diets such as the 80 10 10 diet are in a way not beneficial to the liver, because fat is needed to produce bile, which is the carrier for toxins the liver filters. Stagnant bile makes you also very prone to gallstones. If you detox without stimulating bile to be released, you’re gonna feel awful. ... ... But the good thing is that there is alternatives for bile production. Beet juice, turmeric, black radish are all great choleretic. So a fruitarian should use those on a daily basis for optimal liver health in my opinion. ... ... Liver flushing is beneficial, whatever you diet ... [retrieve this message]

Can fruitarians do liver flushes??

by SpiritualHeartYogi 21 days 97

Hello everybody, I recently started this 80/10/10 diet as inspired by Douglas Graham and ”Durianriders” (just an experiment and to see how it will effect me). So far it has been motivating me to exercise. Not sure if this is the sugar doing this to me or this diet is actually good for me. I’ve never had this energy before. ... ... My question is ----- Can a fruitarian do a liver flush? Drinking the Olive Oil and following the strict dietary guidelines. I know that it is taught that fruitarians should keep their fat content low (10%) along with the protein but would a temporary liver flush be ha ... [retrieve this message]

Good for a laugh by Tena Cious 50 days 225

https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.se/threads/fruitarianism.12118/ ... ... Man, I LOVE this nuthouse/planet. Especially all the hysterical, colourful, amusing and/or dangerous methods that we develop in our desperation to try to avoid the ”reptilian” Matrix system of predation, hierarchy and domination. Gotta make a blog for all these weirdos!!! [End]

Re: Don't get scammed by fruitphobic supplement pushers by natway 67 days 254

Medicines are toxic. They are not meant to be taken for very long. Obviously herbs and spices are a lot less toxic than man-made drugs. ... ... This thread wasn’t meant to advocate a fruitarian diet, but to break the myth that fruit is bad in more than small quantities. ... ... I will say that all the fruitarian failures I read on the net showed signs of calorie-restriction, the #1 problem with veggie diets. [End]

Re: Don't get scammed by fruitphobic supplement pushers by saywhatagain 70 days 226

Various fruits seem to be the most healthy and nutritious foods on the planet. They are potent medicines and each have a specific way that they impact the body. Of course there are tons of other foods and herbs that have just as much of an impact. I remember reading somewhere that Dr. Graham was saying that things like fennel, coriander, cardamom, cumin are toxic to the body which is completely false as these are some of the most potent medicines that cleanse and balance the body when combined with other wholesome foods. The fruitarian diet should NOT be followed by most people and pro ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Don't get scammed by fruitphobic supplement pushers by Kcirla 70 days 183

Many superfoods and herbs have far better healing properties than any piece of fruit. ... ... He mentions chlorella, and this is one of them. ... ... Of course, I agree with Hippocrates statement ”Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”, but superfoods and herbs can help people reach an even higher state of health. ... ... Even the best diet, being raw 80-10-10 or high fat/high protein, won’t cure serious health issues alone. [End]

Don't get scammed by fruitphobic supplement pushers by natway 3 mon 320

... ... I’m not fully vegan or raw like this guy, but he’s giving the same warnings about certain fruitphobic health gurus that I am. [Video Embedded Here] [End]

Re: Bloated on Fruitarian diet..why? by #46136 3 mon 701

I’ve heard of this occuring quite frequently when folk switch to an all fruit diet. I have a close friend who has struggled with bowel health with fruits on 80/10/10 - yet are still persisting. ... ... It could be unaddressed candida overgrowth in the bowels that you never really noticed with your previous diet that is now very pleased to being fed a lot of high GI carbs and fructose? ... ... Or it could be parasites that equally are enjoying the new nutrient dense feasts? ... ... Bowel flora imbalances? Have you tried probiotics? ... ... I had the same issue when i was majority fruits too..like you mono-mea ... [retrieve this message]

Fruitarians weigh least in isocaloric studies by frugivorous 3 mon 183

Dr Mervyn Hardinge when at Harvard* did an isocaloric ... study of nonvegetarians, dairy vegetarians and vegans. ... He could not convince fruitarians to join the study but he ... said they weighed the least. The study went forward, each ... group receiving the same calories daily. At the end of ... several months, the vegans weighed the least, 23 pounds less ... than the nonvegetarians and 11 pounds less than the dairy ... vegetarians. ... ... *Harvard is heavily invested in the meat industry and ... therefore the discoverer of Mad Cow prions, Stanley Prusiner, left. ... ... http://pcrm.org ... [retrieve this message]

The 80 10 10 Diet Of Dr Douglas Graham by frugivorous 4 mon 364

The 80 10 10 Diet Of Dr Douglas Graham ... ... Uncooked fruits and vegetables are the path to healing, weight loss ... ... The 80 10 10 diet by Douglas Graham recommends a raw vegan ... diet based on 80% fresh uncooked fruits and vegetables ... 10% fruitarian or vegan oils (almond, walnut, olive ... etc) and 10% fruitarian or vegan protein (nuts, seeds ... etc.) Graham has counseled professional athletes from around the world and supervises fasts at his center in the Florida Keys as well as in Costa Rica. ... ... Other books are The High Energy Diet Recipe Guide, Nutrition and Athletic Performance, Grain Damage, ... [retrieve this message]

Fruitarian Diet: Healthiest, Most Reforesting, Highest Food Yielding Per... R by frugivorous 4 mon 317

WHAT IS A FRUITARIAN? ... ... Most of us affirm... what we must learn. In that spirit we offer you this article on fruitarian diet. These thoughts are our hearts’ aspirations. May they be more and more our constant reality. ... ... Fruit includes nonkilled products of nut and fruit trees, berry bushes, vines and plants. ... ... ... ... Health ... ... The healthiest food (see below for .vitamin C . weight loss. .natural fiber .least food poisoning .antiacidification .most digestible .natural for anatomy .prevention of calcium oxylate kidney stones . electrolyte balance . polysaccharides which prevent insulin exha ... [retrieve this message]

Yes, high fruit/low fat by natway 5 mon 620

If you look at all the diet guru’s in the natural foods community that warn of eating too much fruit, they are ALL selling $$$ supplements. Hmmmm. [End]

Why We Need To Be Eating More Fruits

by #161267 5 mon 487

The fear of fructose has gotten so extreme that many practitioners are recommending to people not to consume fruits. Our primary source of energy is carbohydrates. Our best source of carbohydrates are fruits. Fruits are superior to vegetables due to their low ability to breed endotoxin and their higher mineral content in the skin of the fruit. Fruits also contain fructose which is awesome for regulating blood sugar both up and down. We need a diet high rich in fructose order to have optimal health. I think that Ray Peat is right for suggesting that we grew up consuming large amounts of fru ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Bloated on Fruitarian diet..why? by WWOOFer 5 mon 802

wild fruits have plenty of sugar. ... ... your fruit is probably not ripe. i have been following this lifestyle for a few months and haven’t heard a lot of this. [End]
Re: new fruitarian, is 5 mangoes in a day too much!? I FEEL LIKE A PIG by WWOOFer 5 mon 895

you’re WAY undereating! ... ... welcome to the movement. sshdhdjxsee sa [End]

Re: Irreverent But Fun by WWOOFer 8 mon 966

I’m excited to read that, it must be fascinating. But within the belief that all things are created equal, I see HEAVILY CULTIVATED agrarian fruitarianism as practically the opposite of folarianism as far as sustainability goes. Thats what I believe God wants... But again, even though we struggle the most, we really are equally efficient. I mean rocks consume nothing and do nothing, plants consume little and just sit there like buddha, and people eat a TON and do all kinds of ineresting stuff! no matter what, it’s just being. People are versatile, and I want another human life. The human b ... [retrieve this message]

Re: new fruitarian, is 5 mangoes in a day too much!? I FEEL LIKE A PIG by nutrifwd 24 mon 6,740

Thanks for your reply! I had a whole pineapple with the mangoes tho I will check out that site [End]

Re: new fruitarian, is 5 mangoes in a day too much!? I FEEL LIKE A PIG by sketchy 24 mon 3,736

You need at least 2000 calories to live if you are female, more if you are a male, even more still if you are eating a fruit based diet. You will not last on a fruitarian diet if you don’t eat more! Don’t be afraid of the fruit, if you are on a fruitarian diet then it is your main calorie source. mango is about 130 calories. 5 of these is 650 calories (i think!). 650 calories a day is anorexia. Before long your body will cry out for more nutrition/calories and you will crave what your body recognises as the most calorie dense food - which will likely be fatty junk food. ... ... Please go to 30b ... [retrieve this message]

new fruitarian, is 5 mangoes in a day too much!? I FEEL LIKE A PIG

by nutrifwd 24 mon 3,896

Hi, this is my third day doing this fruitarian thing, the first day I had water melon, 2nd day I had water melon, 2 mango and some grapes. TODAY I had a WHOLE pineapple and 5 mangoes! I could have had more if I had any left lol I kinda feel like a pig, is it normal to eat that much? its almost 8 pm and Im thinking I want some grapes but I feel like Im eating too much, I mean I have never eaten 5 mangoes in a row before! lol helppppp [End]

Re: Bloated on Fruitarian diet..why? by grzbear 25 mon 3,073

The fruit that is commercially available today (even the trees we have for planting and growing our own) is nothing like the fruit of even a hundred years ago (commercial hybridization of fruits and vegetables started back in the 1600’s)... much of it is a product of this hybridizing, and monoculture, with hybridized fruits bred for looks, size, and a high sugar content... regardless of any other nutritional value, which in many cases is very poor. ... ... Wild fruits are usually small, nutrient dense and somewhat bitter and tart, with much lower *sugar* content while being much more rich in nu ... [retrieve this message]

Bloated on Fruitarian diet..why?

by #114302 25 mon 3,025

I have been on the 80/10/10 or fruitarian diet now for more than a month. Normally i have a very flat stomach but ever since i’ve been on this diet it is soo bloated. I do proper food combining or stick with monomeals so I am confused as to why this is happening. It is uncomfortable and hope that someone knows why! ... Help! [End]

Re: #131174 banned from this foum by blackngold 28 mon 2,619

... Thank you Webmaster. This person could have brought his or her complaints to curezone forums with at least a shred of dignity. Instead they chose to take the low road. And toss up many accusations, none of which they could back up. And they did their best to tarnish a reputation at the touch of a keystroke and with no evidence what-so-ever. ... ... Hopefully they can find peace in their life. [End]

#131174 banned from this foum

by Webmaster 28 mon 1,494

#131174 made multiple accusations, never provided any evidence, broke at least 50 forum posting rules ... ... ... gone from this forum. ... ... If s/he continues the same language on other forms, will be gone from CureZone. ... ... By the way, we do have a forum where people can question advice given by MH, DrMom etc ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=573 ... ... ... Questioning advice shared here in a civilize manner is one thing, but using foul language and behaving like an angry spoiled child ... that kind of language does not belong to CureZone. ... ... Webmaster ... ... ... ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: MH calls his customers cows, pigs, slaves, cattle and worse by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 824

”worship” that is a good one. ... He is referring to the fact that the powers that be think of us as livestock. ... ugh...why am I doing this? Surely I have better things to do. [End]
Re: Do your homework, read mh's archived posts by RyanD 28 mon 136

You’re right BG ,my apologies to pigs everywhere! [End]
Re: Do your homework, read mh's archived posts by blackngold 28 mon 231

Now Ryan... Easy. It is National Pig Farmer week. So let’s show some respect..... ... ... Pigs are people too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... ... [Image Embedded Here] [End]

Follow the PRINCIPLES of Nature by #41565 28 mon 291

Today joel is lying saying homeless people with no hygeine, no indoor plumbing, no conveniences, no sanitation, live to be 100, JOEL IS SO FULL OF ACID FRUIT, GOAT SHYTE COVERED HERBS, AND HAM SHYTE, HE STINKS. ... ... That statement of yours shows that you don’t know the PRINCIPLES of good health. ... ... RULE #1 is acid fruit creates alkaline blood in the body. ... ... No wonder you are not aloud to post on his forum. You didn’t understand the principles to begin with. ... ... Please quit posting misinformation. [End]

Read between the lines by #41565 28 mon 169

When MH posts things against Christians, the Pope, the government or whomever it was not meant to hurt that person even though he comes across as wildly ostentatious. ... ... His message is to AWAKEN people to the fundamental ignorance that we have been blinded to since birth. That our bodies and minds can indeed experience the joyful feeling which is our birth-right. Every once in a while this same type message has been expressed from other radical spiritual beings in the past such as Christ. ... ... His main tenant is to decondition our societal beliefs to become a WHOLE person - more joyful and ... [retrieve this message]

MH OJ fast does NOT burn holes in intestines by #41565 28 mon 206

You got a dog in this fight for sure...just because you lost money and didn’t get a refund?? ... ... You need to get your facts straight. MH explained all the PRINCIPLES to proper health. Drinking milk is a NO NO. It doesn’t follow nature, which is pasteurized, causes mucous and a whole bunch of other problems. It has been reported that, baby calves fed with their own mother’s pasteurized milk will die. ... ... We are taught to use unpasteurized, freshly squeezed oranges as part of a good health protocol. Milk is not an antidote to acidosis. It only further aggravates the problem. That’s why MH doe ... [retrieve this message]

Does this really sound like an unhappy person? by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 1,387

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1760280#i [End]

Ask Barefoot Herbalist

by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 1,367

I am going to go and do what I do every morning, for the past five years. I am going to go read Ask Barefoot Herbalist, and remind myself of the invaluable lessons on self health that I have been employing for just as long. I have always fasted and used distilled water for as long as I can remember, and used his herbal formulas to rid myself of parasites and improve my overall health. ... Because of MH’s advice I stopped using all medications and stopped all vaccines. I am 42 with zero health issues and people think I am 28. I think that is pretty good evidence that juicing and fasting and h ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do your homework, read mh's VILE archived posts by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 200

No, I read his forum every day. I see every post. You need to stop. [End]

Re: Do your homework, read mh's VILE archived posts by VeryGnawty 28 mon 222

”I cannot do your homework for you. ” ... ... What a coincidence, I can’t do that homework either, seeing as how the only complaint I have against MH is that he has a terrible personality. I have no reason to promote a class action lawsuit against him. The last time I checked, it is not against Ohio law to be a bitter old fart. ... ... If you want to file a lawsuit, you will need evidence. ”I cannot do your homework for you” is not evidence. The judge will not accept ”I cannot do your homework for you” as evidence. ”I cannot do your homework for you” will not go very far in convincing a jury th ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do your homework, read mh's archived posts by RyanD 28 mon 172

I agree with you here B&G ! This guy is as nutty as they come! ... Although MH may not be my cup of tea we are all adults here, everyone has the right to chose or not to chose how they decide about MH’s protocols without complete over the top lies and hysterical rants! Seems MH is nothing but an object of this guy’s frustrated life! Maybe he’s a pig farmer!lol! [End]

Re: MH does help others for free by verysugar 28 mon 1,334

#131174 you sound like a mad person. ... ... I think a court judge would have to dismiss anything you had to say right now. ... ... Do you have any idea how you come across? ... ... Where are your parents? ... ... My advice to you is to stop soliciting responses here. Ranting and raving, making unfounded allegations, shouting (UPPER CASE SCRIPT) etc ... you just don’t sound coherent. ... ... Get your FACTS together and see if you have a case. ... ... And stay away from the forum that so distresses you! ... ... BTW why are you posting in the fruitarian debate forum to vent your anger? [End]

Here's what two faced trapper says about barefoot. by yelrah 28 mon 950

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1684908#I ... ... ... Subject: Re: food for thought ... Username: trapper/kcmo contact trapper/kcmo email trapper/kcmo ... Date: 9/5/2010 10:52:14 PM ( 4 mon ago ) ... Hits: 160 ... Size: 849 char. URL: http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1684908 ... ... trapper/kcmo ... ... ... get thee behind me, satan. ... ... the hammer will come down on forum owners talking shit about other forum owners. its just not done. or so sayeth the webmaster. ... ... i do my best to say good things about everyone or nothing at all. for example, Barefoot is ... [retrieve this message]

MH does help others for free by #41565 28 mon 1,256

This has become something like a 19th century witch hunt. Who else has worked harder than MH to answer personal questions for free? Most of the questions are the same ones over and over again...and yet he still responds as if it were the first time it was being asked. ... ... Who else has dispelled confusion and misconceptions of health and nutrition? After you self-experiment with the rest and hit a dead-end...one is bound to find MH’s forum and find a path that is workable. One just has to be sincere and unbiased. Become your own scientist, utilizing bio-feedback and make correct observation ... [retrieve this message]

Re: 131174 is immoral! Ban 131174! by dsr 28 mon 1,311

also mh helps so many people for free every day, i think mh must have his own angels looking out for him. ( from quote 131174) just a few short days ago and now this shyte ... ... This is an ego trip, plain and simple 131174 got his/her? ego hurt over the Oprha thing, Mh told 131174 to get a life cause his view of Oprah is different than 131174s they both have very big egos and they have each hurt each others ego. ... ... In my opinion both are far from (God, spiritual) if they have so much ego, it is a very negative attractor, thus all this drama. ... ... I will say it again 131174 I used to really enjo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do your homework, read mh's archived posts by blackngold 28 mon 218

... ”If you read all mh’s vile attacking posts, you will vomit at all the lies, hypocracy, venom, hate, foul put down of customers and mhs foul vile attacks on all of humanity, vile lies and misrepresentation of his shyte products...” ... ... I have been on this site for many years. And from where I am standing, the only ”lies, hypocracy, venom, hate”, are coming out of your mouth. I guess the that is only my opinion. But............... ... ... ”JOEL HAS DELETED AND EDITED THOUSANDS OF COMPLAINTS FROM RIPPED OFF CZ MEMBERS” ... ... Well I guess this could conceivably be true. If you believe that Mars is ma ... [retrieve this message]

Re: facts are facts, joel/mh is a felon, and a fraud engaging in decepti... by Watering 28 mon 247

Facts are facts? where are the facts? EVERYTHING you have said has been backup by NOTHING. If you are going to waste your time trashing him, at least back it up with REAL facts. [End]
Re: Fugative Hulda Clark was forced to flee to Mexico to ESCAPE prison i... by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 1,017

Actually, I have been reading his forum for about five years and I have never seen these posts you speak of. [End]

Re: Fugative Hulda Clark was forced to flee to Mexico to ESCAPE prison i... by blackngold 28 mon 1,104

... #131174, not really sure why you feel the need to ”set” everybody straight on this issue. You claim to have been around from the start, but the number you are posting under now doesn’t support that. Whatever..... ... ... And to clear up some misconceptions. Mh has never advocated water fasting. I haven’t spent much time on his forum in a number of years, but his gig has always been juice fasting, and proper nutrition, and herbs. People can agree with that or not. Or chose to buy herbs from him or not. Or chose to visit his forum or not. It is really that simple.......... ... ... #131174 - LongStor ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Talk is cheap by Watering 28 mon 1,205

If there have been thousands of people harm by MH this guy should be able to at least come up with someone. And the starvation theroy is the dumbest thing i have heard all week. If he is going after MH for that than he should be going after every water fasting forum and book author ever [End]

Re: If..... by dsr 28 mon 246

Thats the bonediggity very naughty, I really really would miss ya!! ... ... bless you , you just made my day!! [End]
Re: put your energy into something positive by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 273

Agreed. MH just passes along what Dr. Hay, Hotema and other old authors put forth. None of it is ”his” ideas. [End]

Re: class action lawsuit by ohio attorney general against joel berry aka... by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 394

Good grief! Even if he is a fraud (which he isn’t) there are a thousand more just like what you describe! People buy ”snake oil” every day! Why single MH out? I can’t even read your whole post you are too irate! What about Hulda Clark? Her company’s products sell snake oil too! Why don’t you get mad at her for making people use a zapper? Ugh! Good night. I like MH’s herbal products. If you don’t, don’t buy them. You sound like a provacateur. [End]

Re: Mozel Tov Becky, you must have money to waste, a fool and her money ... by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 260

Um, he doesn’t practice medicine. ... He says to let your foods be your medicine. [End]

Re: If..... by VeryGnawty 28 mon 259

” and very naughty, throughly enjoyed their post and looked forward to them.” ... ... I might still decide to post on MH’s forum (I’m not banned, or anything). I can give the guy a few mistakes. MH wouldn’t be the first person who thought I was making fun of him when I really wasn’t. It is a common occurrence that people don’t know when I’m joking and when I’m serious. Hell, most of the people I know in ”real life” can’t tell when I’m serious, despite being face to face and having the advantage of hearing my vocal inflections. (I have a very odd sense of humor, but that’s a topic for anoth ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Talk is cheap by VeryGnawty 28 mon 1,260

I agree. For someone calling for a lawsuit, 13 sure does have a massive lack of evidence. You know, ”evidence” being the thing that one presents in a courtroom as a part of the prosecution. ... ... I’m not sure that 13 knows how the United States justice system works... [End]

Editing other people's posts by VeryGnawty 28 mon 249

”it’s one thing having a post erased, another to have the forum owner speak for you.” ... ... And that’s exactly why I disapprove of MH’s behavior, especially now that I have been subject to it. ... ... I don’t mind being called stupid. MH isn’t the first person in the universe to disapprove of something I have said or done. But the least he could do is either make his own post explaining why he thinks I’m stupid, or at least leave the text as I originally posted it, and then add his own comments for why he thinks I’m stupid. ... ... There’s no reason to erase my entire post, and then call me stupid in ... [retrieve this message]

plant fat not animal fat by #41565 28 mon 348

MH has explained over and over again that a proper substitute for animal fat such as eggs would be plant-based lecithin. ... ... Furthermore, on the OJ fast it is accompanied by eating 20 almonds a day for adequate protein intake so your muscles don’t atrophy such as Gandhi’s body would become after his water-fasts. ... ... Even the OJ fast is not for everyone who doesn’t educate themselves and research it properly. ... ... Stop spreading misinformation. Others need to know the truth to proper health. [End]

MH offers refunds by #41565 28 mon 258

I have known MH to offer refunds. The one you should be mad at is someone like Wiley Brooks who extorts millions in exchange for his secrets to health and longevity. MH has no such egregious intention as that. ... ... Although her liver flush has benefit, Dr. Clark’s method ends up being a dead-end, Wiley Brooks method ends up being a dead end. The path that is walkable is Dr. Hay’s juice fast. MH just takes that old-fashioned method as a starting point for getting back to normal health. ... ... Even then, not many can follow Dr. Hay’s protocols for good health properly. It’s up to you to do the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by hoppimike 28 mon 221

I’ll probably avoid his stuff out of caution... so if your intention was to impact his sales then I guess it’s working lol ... ... I really like the Humaworm range anyway so maybe I’ll stick with that! ... ... At the very least I don’t like buying products from people who don’t seem like nice individuals, and MH doesn’t strike me as being too friendly or accepting of people o.O [End]

you are not debating by #41565 28 mon 235

You are not debating...you are ranting like a 12 year old. ... ... I like a good debate just like any other, but you already lost the debate due to this forum’s rule: ... ... ”The first person to resort to name calling and personal attacks automatically loses the debate!” [End]

Re: mh posted 'he lures the cz ill to ohio, starves them, kills them and... by hoppimike 28 mon 157

Wow, all this stuff is shocking. Where can I actually see his posts or anything like that, or is it all removed? ... ... It’s a shame as I was drawn to his subforum here and products by the persona he adopts - positive, quite ”new age”-y and bright. So sad if this is true, as CureZone is such a fantastic place that can do without this. ... ... Thank god I bought the Humaworm parasite cleanse!! Good ol’ Humaworm! :) ! ... ... So yeah erm, I shall have to do more reading into this! Could you link us to anything if any of it still exists online? ... ... Cheers, ... ... Mike ... ... ... EDIT -- I’ll also have a good read of ... [retrieve this message]

Talk is cheap by Watering 28 mon 1,373

Stop all the talk and show some proof. link some posts, show us some screen shots, show us some proof, because what you are shouting about sounds like a pissed off 12 year old [End]
Re: If..... by f1f1 28 mon 242

... said the man who fed the troll. [End]

Re: If..... by dsr 28 mon 273

I don’t ... understand this at all myself. #131174 was a favorite of mine who’s post I really enjoyed on MH’s site, and very naughty, throughly enjoyed their post and looked forward to them. Then bamm now this. I am totally stunned and so disappointed. If one is looking to sue or slander or take down someone for harming people THERE sure are plenty of bigger fish to fry. ... ... Life sure has its twists and turns. ... ... Such a lack of love in the world today, what a shame. ... ... #131174 I do miss the old you and wish that person would come back. [End]

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by recovering 28 mon 359

Here are some specific examples. ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1062518 ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=827693 ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1062524 ... Here is the debate thread that I used to find the specific examples. ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1244561&s=1#i1 ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1244825&s=2#i21 ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1244935&s=3#i41 ... [End]

Re: If..... by #41565 28 mon 253

Doing nothing is not the answer. Everyone needs compassionate attention. If left on its own I feel it will get worse to let others believe these lies about MH who has helped me tremendously get where I wanted to be. ... ... On the other note, I agree with you and can’t understand why these posts have been up for over twelve days and no one has done anything about it. ... ... Best wishes. [End]

Re: 12 lies mh tells 41565. by #41565 28 mon 281

These are all unsubstantiated claims. They have no basis in reality. You ought to be careful for you can be sued for libel. ... ... Stop creating negative karma...RELAX and calm down. ... ... Get centered, breathe and reflect on the truth. We are all here to figure a way to live in harmony. We are all brothers and sisters on this planet. ... ... If we can’t do this on the curezone how can we expect the world to do it. Start showing that you are part of the human community and you’ll live a happier life. ... ... Why do you lead people away from the truth? Lead them towards it. If you have a new way, expr ... [retrieve this message]

If..... by blackngold 28 mon 279

...you stop feeding the trolls, then hopefully at some point they will stop bellying up to the trough. This person seems to have some kind of personal beef with MH. Which in actuality may be a difference in philosophy that has turned into ”this”. Who the hell knows. I did put up a post awhile back on the webmaster support forum about this case. And now they are talking about a ”class action” suit against Mh. Please. I am suprised all of the posts are still up standing from the past few weeks. It gets old. No one should expect to have their hand held here. Different strokes for different fo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You posted twelve lies against MH by #41565 28 mon 251

Thanks Becky, it is always nice to hear some positive feedback. Blessings to everyone and to you. [End]

put your energy into something positive by #41565 28 mon 285

You praised MH in the beginning...now what happened? He kicked you off of his forum, deleted some of your posts. I know that never feels good. But, really, its time to grow up. Its not good creating karma like this. The so called facts you push against MH have no basis in reality. You are not a health inspector. You don’t know the conditions over there. ... ... Put your energy into something constructive, like those that put shellac on my oranges so that it will stay nice and shiny for people to buy. I don’t want that seeping into my oranges past the skin. I notice it does ruin them sometime ... [retrieve this message]

Re: my experience on fruit diet by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 2,420

I will agree with you there, Wiley Brooks IS a fraud. [End]
You know what name calling makes you look like....n/m by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 358

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 280

It’s just that the oj fast is the easiest fast for most people to do. He dissuades people from trying water fasts, master cleanse, etc because those are tough fasts and can have serious detox effects that are unpleasant. [End]

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 254

Like whom? Can you site some examples? I see examples of people living well on fruit and juice fasting. I have never seen an example of someone who died from it. ... Back yourself up, you sound like a drug pusher or something. What are you into, anyway? Please tell us how to eat properly since you are saying that fruit is not the way. Well, what IS the way, guru? [End]

Re: class action lawsuit by ohio attorney general against joel berry aka... by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 314

I’m still confused. Who did he defraud, and how? Did you buy some herbs and not like them? I think he takes returns, actually. Your post has no basis. You just sound like a mad person. [End]

Re: You posted twelve lies against MH by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 289

Thank you 41565. This person has some kind of vendetta and these posts aren’t even worth reading, it’s obvious it’s some kind of provacateur, but you were very kind to respond at all. ... Show me a person who did the OJ fast and regretted it. [End]

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 272

It isn’t ”his” fast. It’s based on Dr. Hayes’ juice fast. You may as well slam Stanley Burrous for the Master Cleanse while you’re at it. ... You are very embittered. I hope you feel better soon. I always do after a juice fast. [End]

ya gotta be kiddin by Becky Rosenthal 28 mon 279

All he does is sell herbs and try to tell the truth about human health. I have spend hundreds of dollars on his herbal products and am happy I did. [End]

Re: MH shows one important thing for small business by #41565 28 mon 261

It’s one thing having a post erased, another to have the forum owner speak for you. No one likes that...But that is the curezone’s fault for giving the owner too much control. It should either be delete or remove...not to have the moderator post a message under someone else’s screen-name. He did that to me. It doesn’t seem right but its not a big deal in this case. He has his reason. In the bigger picture, it STILL doesn’t give anyone the right to hurt a person’s name, character or family with such hate and vengeance. It’s not right and will never hold any honor. ... ... Even Socrates had s ... [retrieve this message]

Re: MH shows one important thing for small business by VeryGnawty 28 mon 359

”He’s got tough skin against his detractors...so you got to know to be respectful and follow his Forum Rules” ... ... Those aren’t his forum rules, those are the CureZone site rules. MH’s forum rules are to not post anything he disagrees with, or he will delete it and Edit Disallowed you. ... ... Also, respect is earned, not given away freely. MH has not shown himself to be someone who is deserving of respect, seeing as how he edits people’s posts (and without informing them, even) [End]

MH shows one important thing for small business by #41565 28 mon 287

The most important advice for any alternative healer, wishing to help others, would be wise to take note of exactly the way MH operates his business. If they do it properly, they would learn that if they follow protocol they won’t get in trouble or arrested for abiding by the laws of the land. ... ... One thing I learned from him is if you criticize the government, nothing will happen to you. No one is out to get you. It doesn’t have to be a scary, paranoid thing. As long as the criticism is just and reasonable and doesn’t harm people it should be allowed and it has been aloud on his forum. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by VeryGnawty 28 mon 339

MH has always had complete crap for a personality, and it’s gotten much worse over the years. The only reason I frequent his forum is because he has some interesting ideas. Not all of those ideas are good ideas, but sometimes they are. ... ... Frankly, I don’t know if I want to go back to his forum at all. I made a harmless comment referencing this forum, and he removed it and Edit Disallowed me. ... ... Only idiots censor ideas that they disagree with. If you want a sure sign that somebody has insecure beliefs, look at their willingness to debate those beliefs or put them up to scientific scrut ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by Tabatha 28 mon 454

yes mh just banned me also, all i did was start to question his spray, and any results, and not even two days later i am absolutly banned from his forum. ... ... your right i now question this man, where his formulas come from or many other questions [End]

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by recovering 28 mon 1,632

I don’t agree with MH’s orange juice fast. I tried the fast for 13 days and didn’t improve at all, but I didn’t get any worse either. Vegetable and fruit juice fasting has been around for a many decades and has helped many people. I only have a problem with MH’s claim that orange juice fasting by his method is the only correct fast. ... ... Humans definitely need animal fat to be healthy. I don’t believe an occasional juice fast compromises health, it is the total abandonment of eating meat and animal fat that causes health problems. The vegan diet will cause permanent damage to children. U ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by dsr 28 mon 1,338

http://myfruitarianlife.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-11-06T07%3A18%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=7 [End]
Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by dsr 28 mon 1,277

http://www.fruitgod.com/index.html [End]
Re: Barefoot/mh aka joel is killing people with his juice fast by dsr 28 mon 1,356

http://www.fruitgod.com/orangejuicefest.html [End]

Re: my experience on fruit diet by AustinM 32 mon 3,847

It depends what one consumes. Olives and avocados are naturally fatty fruits. Fruits are naturally acidic in the mouth but become alkaline after digestion. Rinsing with salt water could help alkanize the mouth. There are several definitions for fruitarian, one being eating mostly fruits, and another is eating without destroying the organism you are feeding from. To urinate much indicates eating too much ripe fruits. Palpitations could indicate too much metals in the body such as mercury, or it could also be a sign of a mineral deficiency resulting from an imbalanced diet. So should ... [retrieve this message]

Re: what is a fruit by herbalnutritionistcmt 32 mon 1,194

botanical description of fruit includes tree fruit,grains,nuts, tomatoes, cucumbers, avacadoes,and I also believe some beans. ... ... all are essential for proper functioning of the human body, although it is possible to live with out one or two of these groups for some time with out side effects. [End]

Re: my experience on fruit diet by herbalnutritionistcmt 32 mon 3,195

there are many problems with a purely fruitarian diet; ... ... such as ketosis(lack of carohydrates which are needed for slow burning fuel of sugar for the brain(starch) not to mention b vitamins that nourish the nerves), ... omega 3 deficency(an essentail fatty acid for the brain to mature and function properly with out it one will be retarded african babies have a lack of omega 3s in their diet), ... ... and then theres the question of protein fruit (from trees) only contain small amounts of protein which one needs to supply your muscles. if you do physical labor the muscles actually tear and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Viktoras Kulvinskas by Dr. Flora 32 mon 2,786

Vik’s words, taken out of context, because they are part of his history, are not to be taken as where he is now in his relationship with living foods. His mind is like ours, and we are all geniuses when we are clear. He has found that many of his problems are due to his earlier use of foods or flavors to add a salty taste and those, because of the constrictive and acid nature of those foods, caused cravings for oily foods. Once a balance is found, and many of us are back and forth like tennis balls as we experiement with various types of foods, living and dead, one will always be led back ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fruit and nuts by qwan 3 year 1,980

You are not aware of all fruits then ... Have you heard of Moringo? ... Do some search on it. ... It is typically cooked as a vegetable but technically it is a fruit. ... Infact all nuts are fruits. You are eating the seed. ... Anything that has seeds in it is the fruit. ... We only thing Sweet and raw when it comes to fruit. ... Moringo is fruit that contains highest proteins. Also A lot of nuts contains proteins. ... For example normally people eat only the nuts of the cashew, but In India some people eat the fruit also ... We chew on the almond fruits Its has a nice sour taste. ... But many have not seen almond frui ... [retrieve this message]

my experience on fruit diet

by Cilantro88 4 year 5,544

i was a fruitarian from febuary 2009 to july 2009, 5.5 months total, it wrecked my health and my dentition. ... ... -bladder was iritated all the time, i’d urinate 10+ times/day ... -heart palpitations ... -muscles weakened ... -i lost so much weight that i was sporting the Auschwitz look ... -3 caries ... -insomnia ... ... All in all, i was wasting away. I have a hard time believing anyone can be on that diet for 10+ years. ... ... I’ve added meat back to my diet and i’m doing sooo much better, i can’t believe i fell for PETA-like propaganda, it almost killed me. ... [End]

Re: Irreverent But Fun by Zoebess 4 year 2,382

http://curezone.com/upload/_E_F_Forums/Fruitarians/banana.jpg ... Interestingly, I was recently listening ... to an audio set on Rosicrucian knowledge ... and that info suggested that the Plant ... Kingdom was the most powerful since most ... humans and a lot of animals take them ... into their bodies. In this way, they ... became part of something greater and ... were changed into something else. In ... essence, they become part of us or we ... of them. Eventually, the book suggested, ... we would all become more part of the ... Plant Kingdom, in the past being more ... elemental or part of the Mineral Kingdom. ... Perhaps they ... [Image Embedded Here] [retrieve this message]

Irreverent But Fun

by rudenski 4 year 1,975

The Folarians (such was their name) were a pacifistic people who believed in free will, free thought, free love, free land, free living, free rides, freeloading and freebies of all kinds. Bitter enemies of the Vegetarians, the Fruitarians (who lived exclusively on raw fruit), the Pietarians (or “New Fruitarians,” as they were sometimes called, who ate only raw fruit pies) and the Breatharians (who subsisted on air alone), the Folarians promoted a doctrine wherein eternal life was achieved by abstaining from all food sources save foliage—thus their name. Moreover, this foliage—whether leave ... [retrieve this message]

Re: my problem with raw vegan diet by Wellboy 4 year 4,737

I’m not absolutely sure your arguments are valid. You’re entitled to your observations, of course, but since I have no confidence in doctors at all, and shun all medical intervention in my life, the fact that a raw foodist is not a doctor is a considerable plus to me. Not to everyone, but to me certainly. ... ... I eat 100% raw food. I am completely healthy and thin - I have lost 10lbs on the diet in the past month, and have easily found myself a balanced diet within all that’s on offer. I sleep better, think and live better, and feel better than I have ever felt, possibly since being a small ... [retrieve this message]

Fruit and nuts

by beej 4 year 2,238

”The chief reason we cannot live on fruits is that they contain practically no protein. This is also one reason why adding them to the average diet is beneficial, for the average diet is too rich in protein. Going on a fruit diet is ’cleansing’ chiefly because it is a protein fast, and most of the accumulated wastes and poisons of the body are of a protein nature.” ... ... Dr. Gibson says of the nut and fruit diet: ”In the light of the latest notations in the science of human nutrition, there is no activity in the human system, no process of digestion, assimilation, and nutrition, no nervous ... [retrieve this message]

you think candida is a problem? by beetlejuice 4 year 1,429

i have come to realize that candida is not all its cracked up to be. i feed my candida all the fruit it can handle. i useto be so constipated trying to kill it. ... ... then for desperation i gave up (again). and said to myself, if this stuff wants sugar then sugar it will get. ... ... but dont get me wrong, its fruit sugar not processed. ... ... now with the natural sugar and carohydrates comes glyconutrients. it allows the cells to work together. ... ... i dont take any supplements of glyconutrients or anything. ... ... ... one thing that is a problem with doing this is if you have diabetes or s ... [retrieve this message]

Re: what is a fruit by beej 4 year 1,765

”Botanically, fruits are the edible parts of plants that result from the development of pollinated flowers, such as peaches, oranges, cucumbers, tomatoes, peppers, nuts, beans, peas, etc. Although, scientifically, beans, peas, nuts and other such articles of food, are classed as fruits, popularly such seed, because they do not possess an edible capsule (we do eat the green pods of the bean), are not considered as fruits. Botanically, the wheat grain or other cereal is a fruit.” Herbert Shelton [End]

what is a fruit

by beetlejuice 4 year 1,925

i want to start a big ruckus, i mean huge. if i can, ... ... the thing is... what IS a fruit? ... ... ... The term fruit has different meanings dependent on context, and the term is not synonymous in food preparation and biology. Fruits are the means by which flowering plants disseminate seeds, and the presence of seeds indicates that a structure is most likely a fruit, though not all seeds come from fruits.[1] ... ... No single terminology really fits the enormous variety that is found among plant fruits. ... ... thats from wikipedia. ... ... what i want to argue is... why not call squash and pumpk ... [retrieve this message]

"david[wolfe]is in poor physical condition,but has invested so heavily i... by IWILLDIE 4 year 1,764

RAW WAR: http://flexrx.nourished.com.au/2008/08/06/the-primal-diet/#comment-111 ... ... PHOTO OF BLOGGER: http://flexrx.nourished.com.au/2008/12/16/13/ ... ... VIDEO OF BLOGGER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PcGP0BLqM [End]

Re: Fruitarian Diet: Healthiest, Most Nonviolent, Highest Yielding, Mos... by RedPlanet 5 year 6,872

... http://www.jayrobb.com ... ... [End]
Re: WAY too skinny... by RedPlanet 5 year 7,541

She’s freaking DEAD, because of people like you. [End]
Re: WAY too skinny... by seansdadj 5 year 7,667

It’s a sad sad thing to be addicted to. [End]

Blood Sweat and Tears.. And Thousands of Other Toxins in Animals' Flesh by frugivore 6 year 3,210

Blood Sweat and Tears And Other Ingredients in Animal Flesh ... http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?threadid=197819 ... ... ... ... In Animal Flesh: Blood Sweat Tears Carcinogens Cholesterol Colon Bacteria ... If you want to wade in to the waters ... of compassion instead of jumping ... ... http://www.meatout.org/MeatoutMondays/ ... ... ... ... http://www.egroups.com/messages/bloodsweatandtears/49 ... ... ... ... Animal products kill more people annually in the US than ... tobacco, alcohol, traffic accidents, war, domestic violence, ... guns, and drugs combined. USAMRID wrote that consumption of pig flesh caused the world’s mo ... [retrieve this message]

Fruitarian Diet: Healthiest, Most Nonviolent, Highest Yielding, Most Re...

by fruitarian 6 year 7,144

http://spot.acorn.net/fruitarian ... ... http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=943617 ... ... http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?threadid=60151 ... ... ... ... ... Fruitarian Diet: Healthiest, Most Nonviolent, Highest ... Yielding, Most Reforesting, Most Energy Conserving ... ... ... Only Fruit Is Nonviolent Food ... Plants Love Fruitarians ... Only Fruit Is Nonviolent Food .. For Only Fruit Is Food Not From Killing Or Stealing ... ... What is a Fruitarian? ... ... Healthiest Environmental Reasons Most Non-Violent ... Most Free Most Food Yielding Best for Workers ... Safest Energy Most Conserving ... Closest to Light Habitat Creator Most ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Internal Mishaps by Ayehasherayeh 6 year 8,208

apparently lots of hype mixed in with paranoia sells to certain minded people. this is the target audience, those people with certain mentalities that are targeted. ... ... I find it amazing how the sheer amount of unsabstianted claims go by. Then you get into judging the ’awareness’ of the people who congregate there. ... ... ... A [End]

Re: Internal Mishaps by San2006 6 year 7,496

you are right. MH is a salesman and very wrong in many aspects. Lot of ppl are following him blindly. ... ... He will protray as his LBB capsules are best in the world and anyone not using them is missing something very important. I got caught up in this , and bought them. What a waste of my money..... ... ... He speak of FRUITARIAN/BREATHERIAN and longevity. He is so on the wrong way and leading lot of ppl in that directiom.... what a shame. Alternative medicin is so full of QUACKS.. [End]

Re: Tomato diet kills Ana Carolina Reston, 21 by Celcius 6 year 8,729

”Fruitarians have the longest life expectancy of any dietary group!” ... ... Prove it ! [End]

Re: Natural Hygeine. by GRASSMAN 6 year 8,290

The foolish deception of Shelton and Fry continues to suck in the weak minded and spiritualy lacking peoples.The sooner you set yourself free from fruitarian dogma the better check out beyondveg.com.Im vegan by choice and find the fruitarian diet lacking from a nutritional point of view.How long have you been into the fruitarian way of thinking and why choose such a radical approach to nutrition? [End]

Re: Tomato diet kills Ana Carolina Reston, 21 by grzbear 6 year 9,851

”Fruitarians have the longest life expectancy of any dietary group” ... ... Do you have proof of this? If so, I would appreciate being able to read it. Could you provide the sources please? ... ... In my personal experience, some of it with my own branch relative tree, the vegetarians all die younger (55 - 65) than the meat eaters. In fact those who ate lard and such were the longest lived 95+ and above on average. ... ... Please note that if the study is based upon a people that have lived this way for countless generations, it most likely is null and void for a person wanting to change lifestyle as ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Tomato diet kills Ana Carolina Reston, 21 by frugivore 6 year 7,697

many have died of anorexia ... and nearly all of them were flesheaters who starved themselves ... ... There are breatharians in the world, but spiritual advancement is required ... ... Fruitarians have the longest life expectancy of any dietary group ... ... [End]

Re: WAY too skinny... by frugivore 6 year 7,543

one can’t be too rich or too thin ... ... as one sees in the slender nonagenarians and centenarians ... who have not dropped off from too much weight ... ... ... http://spot.acorn.net/fruitarian ... [End]

writing for fasting support (cross-post) by lauray 6 year 1,479

Hey, Forum, ... I have just been reading a site about emotional eating entitled shrinkyourself.com. While I feel this neglects the physiology of the matter and thus opens you to self-blame, I really know I am a so-called emotional eater. I cannot really be helped by this information alone, though emotional eating is (of course) the source of my failures to fast long enough to heal... my emotional eating is .... I guess something I need to share about here. I mean, it is totally overwhelming, and there IS no alternative when I get compulsed to eat. ... ... ... Maybe I should say I have not yet d ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fruitarian pros and cons by furry 6 year 3,178

I tried it once...but just couldn’t do it for long enough to say whether it was good or bad...I just lost way too much weight. [End]

Recommending adjustments to vegetarianism/raw foodism by CZ-_. 6 year 4,249

Because my elderly mother (recently deceased) had diabetes and a raw fooder friend I invited to live/work in our house and I thought she could get her blood sugar under control very quickly on his raw food diet (and, sure enough, it happened -- fast too) plus I wanted to be on it for independent longevity reasons, all three of us were on his raw food diet starting about seven years ago. It wasn’t just fruits and vegetables: We also had smoked salmon and some other smoked fish (nothing ’cooked’ at above about 117 F but various meats ’dried’ at that temperature). ... ... Well, after about three ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Tomato diet kills Ana Carolina Reston, 21 by #35289 6 year 12,391

I dont believe that at all. [End]
Re: Hey superfriend by Evton B 6 year 3,362

and what is the website of this internet community in which you are affiliated? [End]

Re: Hey superfriend by superfriend 6 year 2,638

Videos ... ... Dips 180lbs ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobkUGXzOvA ... ... ... Chin ups 88lbs ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owtiEOVmwXs ... ... ... Teaching myself one arm chins ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKtrX2U9h_w ... ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBN5YWqzM4 ... ... [End]

Re: stone dissolvers helped me!! by balance 6 year 5,631

Hello there, ... ... ... ... I just read your message and the entire thread...I am happy that you found something that helped you! Can you please tell me exactly which stone dissolvers you used, where to get them, if you had any side effects and if you are still feeling good after taking them now that it has been 4 months? Is there any reason people should not take them or any negative effects? Thanks so much!! ... [End]

Re: Fruitarian pros and cons by inspiraller 6 year 5,255

Hi ... ... well I think your partly right. Some fruit is easy to digest and assimilate - excluding some I can name disagree with me (orange, banana, tomato, avacado, coconut, mango - of course this depends on your ailment, constitution, dosha, blood type or any other individual intolerance or allergy). Pears seem to bloat me. Apples I can take easily. ... ... But, as I said initially most people suffer with some form of bacteria overgrowth unknowingly, and most nutritional information on this problem encourages complete avoidance of sugars - including fruit, to allow killing off the excess bacteria ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Tomato diet kills Ana Carolina Reston, 21 by #62549 6 year 10,450

I’m fat. I don’t diet. Never will again. I strive to eat healthy foods and to move more and to accept myself the way I am. To hell w/ skinny! ... ... Angel ... ... http://www.mtworkathome.com ... ... ... http://www.cwahm.com ... ... ... http://www.readspanish.com ... ... [End]

Re: WAY too skinny... by magic_glitter 7 year 7,976

The woman (yes, she is a woman although she looks like she hasn’t hit puberty yet) has already died from complications of anorexia :( It is too late for her to eat more. ... ... Another model died just last month form anorexia too. When are people going to realise there’s a serious problem here? [End]

Re: WAY too skinny... by foxsolrblue 7 year 8,141

HELLO WAY TOO SKINNY, ... As much as i like slim wwomen that pix is un healthy, she has a cute face but as for that she needs to put on a few pounds! eat!! ... BILL M. [End]

Hey Milena... by Evton B 7 year 5,935

You should read this book, the PH miracle by Dr. Robert young. This is a diet that includes 80% raw food and a small amount of cooked food. In my opinion this is the best vegan diet out there and it is something you can actually live on. Whether or not you want to do it for the rest of your life is up to you. ... ... I did this diet for over a year and I felt amazing on it. You need to figure out for yourself if you are the type of person that can live without meat or not. Personally, I feel much better while eating meat. If you go a year on this diet your body will get so in tune with itself t ... [retrieve this message]

Hey superfriend by Evton B 7 year 2,656

Can you give me a link to the website in which the guy does pull ups with the 90 pound weights and has been a fruit eater for ten years? ... ... I would appreciate it! [End]

Re: Internal Mishaps by #58143 7 year 8,107

MH is now considered a researcher? I’m not being rude, but lets be honest, he is a salesman who spreads some unsubstantiated theories. people follow his advice at their own peril. lets hope no one really believes that there is any ”research” that shows that a long term frutarian diet is a good idea. if there is, I would love to see the links.... to real research as opposed to unsubstantiated tales and fantasy. ... ... [End]

Many critics of anorexia are missing the point by redlepton 7 year 9,288

First of all, let me start by saying that I do not mean to offend anyone here. I just want to give a different point of view on the whole anorexia discussion. Please feel free to debate anything I say, since I am rarely 100% correct about everything. ... ... I wanted to say that I think the model in the picture does look beautiful. How much work the make-up artists and air-brushers had to do to make her look that way, I don’t know. I think make-up artists can make corpses look good for viewings before a funeral as well. ... ... I think it is a disservice to say that being thin is not beautiful. ... [retrieve this message]

Celcius by #46892 7 year 4,008

I have been looking and attempting to find the source for that arceology dig in Ecuador but havent had any success yet. I am hoping some others also saw the information and can share the source. ... ... However just because the investigators said these peoples lived mostly on honey doenst mean it is true. This culture was approx a thousand years ago, so theres a lot of guessng involved. ... ... We are very similar to insects and all creatures with regard to our organisims need for protein building and energy production. If you study body chemistry you find that our systems breakdown carbohydrates i ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Celcius calls my hand by Celcius 7 year 4,025

I think your tale is a myth ! Humans are not insects we cannot survive on such high level of any kind of sugars! We would burn out in a few years! I do hope you can find some real reference to this as I find it very unbeleivable! [End]

Re: a couple questions about this diet by #72129 7 year 4,000

One of the huge problems with fruitarianism, which I have practised long-term and am in principle in favor of, is that it is promoted by this sort of mis- (or even dis-) information - The Fruitarian One has not been eating only fruit for 10 years, and he says so himself. Only recently he was eating stuff like bottled salad dressing from a store - I don’t consider that to be an all-fruit raw dietary. What he sayas is that he has been ”on this path” for 10 years - that can be interpreted broadly, and, in this case, should not be interpreted to mean that this person has been eating nothing b ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Celcius calls my hand by #46892 7 year 4,067

Yes, and many here have shared how honey was the prefered wound dressing, in past times. I first heard of its theraputic useages from Jethro Kloss’ classic Back to Eden. ... ... However the culture I am refering to is as I said, a very recently discovered, in historical terms, culture living in Ecuador in South America and they had , to the conventional investigators view, a most sohisticated honeybee husbandry. They apparantly ate as the primary foodstuff, honey and various adaptions of it. Also it was determend to some degree that their religion was sophisticated , non-exclusive and peace ori ... [retrieve this message]

Egyptian Honey Culture by Celcius 7 year 4,421

... Although there was a honey culture it was not called that because it was thier main source of food but because they used honey in thier rituals and medicinally! ... ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ... ... Honey is known at least for 12.000 years. Especially in Egypt a honey culture was widespread. Honey was used for ritual and medical purposes. From Greece we know by Hippokrates about 300 diferent honey remedies. ... ... http://www.thiele-und-thiele-consult.de/press/honeyscience_us.html ... [End]

Re: what culture is that? by #46892 7 year 3,931

Not at the moment. I think I first read about them in some publication in the last two years. They were only recently discovered, their remains that is, on the coast and upland in Ecuador. They were supremely pacifistic and so they got wiped out at some point. Part of the archeologists interest was that they, like the Moche culture farther south, made thousands of figurines and masks, all individual and highly stylised. They have been labled the honey culture because the evidence so far reveals that their main food was honey. [End]

Re: a couple questions about this diet by #46892 7 year 3,929

Yes, stealing from bees is the vegan philosopical reason for not eating honey.To each their own. [End]

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