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  • Cause of Breast Cancer: Estrogen Dominance or Microbes?   mtl777   28mo
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      Re: Cause of Breast Cancer: Estrogen Dominance or Microbes?
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      Date: 12/11/2011 5:42:59 AM   ( 28mo ago )
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       What really causes breast cancer: estrogen dominance or microbes?

      Microbes.  More specifically viruses.

      I had this discussion with someone who told me that estrogen dominance causes breast cancer. But based on my reading of the following articles, I have long believed that breast cancer or any cancer for that matter is caused by microbes.

      http://www.cancertutor.com/Articles/What_Causes_Cancer.html

      There are a number of myths in this article:

      -The author claims that genetic damage does not cause cancer.  Actually this can lead to cancer.  The reason that the same genetic damage can occur in the same area with smoking is simple.  Certain chemicals can target specific areas.  For example, the carcinogenic tar gets stuck in the lungs.  It does not go from the lungs to the liver, the colon, the brain, etc.  Being that the tar sticks in the same place smokers tend to get cancer in the same place.

      -The author also claims that everyone has cancer cells.  This is another very persistent myth.  People can have excess cellular division, such as benign tumors or keloids.  This does not mean they have cancer.  Cancer cells have a completely different morphology.  And if everyone did have cancer cells then we we would see greatly increased numbers in the cases of cancer since cancer cells are very good at evading the immune system.  In addition, if everyone had cancer cells according to the claim then anyone with a suppressed, or no immune system would quickly succumb to cancer.  This is nowhere near the case though.  Look at David "the bubble boy".  He was born without an immune system, yet he lived for a while until he was given a bone marrow transplant that infected him with Epstein Barr virus (EBV) that caused the B cell lymphoma that killed him.

      -Changing the terrain to an alkaline environment will cure cancer is another common myth.  This is based on the other myth that acids cause cancer and cancer cells are acidic.  Acids do not cause cancer.  In fact quite a few acids have been shown to have anti-cancer properties.  For example betulinic acid and chlorogenic acid.  And the pH inside cancer cells is alkaline, which helps promote their growth.  In addition, it would be impossible to maintain a particular pH in the body consistently since the body maintains its pH.  If you try to make it more acid or more alkaline the body simply uses buffers to get the pH back to normal except in very rare cases.

      I was at a lecture once where they had a doctor spend two hours claiming the cause of cancer were lactic and oxalic acids.  Yet the handout of his recommended diet included spinach and kale that both contain the oxalic acid he claimed caused cancer.  Even the cancer formula Essiac contains rhubarb root, which is full of oxalic acid.  Unfortunately myths like these keep getting propagated because people keep repeating what they read in some sales site rather than actually researching if the claims are even true to begin with.

      -Next the author claims that cancer cells generate "virtually zero ATP molecules".  Actually they produce two ATP per cycle.  This is lower than normal cells, but not "virtually zero".  And the author has it backwards that the low ATP causes the cells to "revert to fermentation".  It is the fact that the cells are fermenting to begin with that leads to the lower ATP production.  

      -Everyone does not have H. pylori as the author claims.  in fact, the author is contradicting himself.  He claims that an acidic environment causes the H. pylori to become aggressive.  But H. pylori is killed by acidity, which is why it secretes highly alkaline ammonia to protect itself.  Furthermore, how would the author explain the formation of cancers outside the stomach since this is where H. pylori is found.  The bacteria cannot enter the brain for example, so how could someone get brain cancer?

      -The funniest part was the author states that microbes secrete highly acidic mycotoxins while referring to H. pylori.  First of all H. pylori secretes ammonia, which is highly alkaline.  Secondly, mycotoxins are produced by molds and fungi.  H. pylori is neither, it is a bacteria.

      There are a number of other errors, but I am not going to address all of them.  


      http://www.cancertutor.com/Articles/Advanced_Cancer_Theory.html

      This link is pretty much a repeat of a lot of the same misinformation.

      Another contradiction though is that the author claims that as the pH goes more acidic within a cancer cell the larger the microbe grows.  Problem with this claim is that it has been demonstrated that the interior of cancer cells are alkaline, which helps them to survive and proliferate.

      What is your take on this? It seems to be like a "chicken or egg" question. I would really like to understand the relation between estrogen dominance and microbes. Does estrogen dominance happen first and cause microbes to proliferate or is it the other way around? Sorry if this is such a newbie question, I am just trying to learn.

      Estrogen does not cause the cancer, it is the "fertilizer" that helps cancer cells flourish once the cancer is initiated.  Although, other hormones such as progesterone can also promote cancer by activating cancer viruses and stimulating progesterone receptors.

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