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REFUTING THE BELIEF IN KARMA
Karma is a belief that a person has to live many lives and improve in each until they become an ascended master and finally lose self-awareness into the mindless soup of the cosmic mind. Alternatively, one chooses ones own next life from the spiritual plane in order to learn something in the next. It is claimed by some variants of this illogical belief that one might have to live sometimes millions s of lives before becoming perfect to escape the cycle of birth and rebirth and find enlightenment.
I believe this Karma is nonsense and will list my objections to this belief below:
1. The bible says it is appointed for a person once to live and then the judgment.
2. Karma says that a soul must live many mortal lives to reach perfection. Thus humanity must undergo and live many many painful incarnations, from a bad human until one finally becomes a perfect enlightened master. One, nevertheless, must start out as a lowly life form such as bacteria, cockroach or garden Lilly and finally, after countless millions of years progress to become human For the life of me how does a bad cockroach or garden Lilly become a good cockroach or garden Lilly. This belief if it where not so tragic would be very very funny indeed.
3. Karma says that if we have a weakness or fault in this life, we must return reborn, again and again and overcome our failings in the previous in the next life, or horrors upon horrors maybe revert to been a cockroach again.
4. Therefore, any suffering we have to endure in this life, be it cancer, aids, all other sicknesses poverty, etc, etc is our own fault due to the evil or bad things we did in our past life. This is a cruel belief as many saintly people suffer and die in the most horrific manner. What soul would choose to be a Jew in the Second World War and see their beloved’s torn from them in the holocaust and consumed in the ovens of Hitler’s death camps?
5. the above paragraphs shows that Karma is idiotic nonsense, how can one so often be punished so terribly for something they do not even remember from a sinful forgotten past life. In my case I have had to endure a lifetime the unimaginable pain, horror, desolation of a sever mental illness. Is this the punishment for something I did in past life, that I have absolutely no recollection. (Manic Depression)
6. Another view favored by spiritualists and modern day channerlers is that between lives we sit in some other dimensions and decide exactly what kind of life we choose be it beggar, rich person or what ever. Therefore, our fate is coconsciousness decide by ourselves, what nonsense.
7. What then about souls like Hitler, Stalin, Nero and the numerous depraved people on earth at the moment, did they deliberately choose a life of depraved evil and what they could learn by there wicked actions? They will degenerate further and further through each life as they are totally depraved without any redeeming good qualities what so ever. Surely, this type of person deserves judgment and eternal punishment, not escape into karma.
8. If we look at the out of control world population we see an exponential increase in the total world population, which is already a frightening 6.5 billion and growing faster and faster by the day. Where are all these people coming from? If karma is true, surely people should be reaching perfection and escaping the cycle of life and the worlds population decreasing. Not so?
9. Again, if karma is true we should be observing just the reverse. With more and more people becoming better and better and finally reaching enlightenment and escaping the relentless birth and rebirth with a subsequence decrease in the world population.
10. Although people are no more evil now than they were in the past (middle age horrors as an example), they are also no better, if we read our daily newspaper or listen to the news on the electronic media. We just have to read up on the mechanized world wars of the past century and see the awful weapons humanity has developed and continue to develop to kill one another, with more and more sophisticated tools of death. Where is Karma in all of this?
11. Where are all the enlightened masters? There seems to me so few in these latter days. Please could one name just one living master for me?
12. A person I would call an enlightened master in present times would be mother Teresa and she did definitely not believe in the law of Karma but believed and practiced active love caring and charity nearly all the years of her long life.
13. If the law of karma is true, why are we still having more and more conflicts and wars all over the planet, instead of peace?
14. How then are the memories some claim come from past lives? I believe that locked up in our genes and encoded within the colossal D.N.A. molecule racial memories could be stored. Perhaps these ghosts of memories could perhaps leak into the conscious mind of some people who then believe they are remembering past lives.
15. Another fact that, has been proven, is forgotten childhood memories that are remembered in the case of trauma or under hypnoses.
16. My personal search for an explanation has shown not one indisputable past life memory in anyone. All could be explained rationally.
17. My own personal view on Karma and past life regression is that I hope this awful concept is not true. Who wants to live repeatedly? Anyway, 99.999999999+++ of people just like me have no memories of past lives. In addition, if I lived in the past and have no recollection of that life, the person I was then is truly dead.
18. I believe I exist now because 66 years ago my beloved parents decided (NOT me) to make love. I am sure I did not choose this life and am positive it is the only life I have ever had. What comes after, if anything remains an enigma to me and to everyone else on eat?
19. I therefore reject the concept of karma as a potentially cruel false idiotic belief and nonsense to any logically rationally thinking person.
a truth
Karma is based on entanglements on this and other planes that are both pleasant and unpleasant
It seems Western civil- i - zation (I use the term loosely) seems to concentrate on the negative side and attaining perfection
That is not quite it and any attchment is karma causing
It is more the attaining of detachment, making things equal, allowing and accepting rather than attaining perfection
But one can see how perfection might be gleaned since accepting and allowing create a sort of perfect being
Caring not for one more than another, lack of preferences- very female- passive as it were.
LOA says preferences are Ok, but getting caught up in the lack of having your preference is not all that great...bringing more of what one doesen't want- a kind of instant karma
Some experiences take many playing of both sides of a roles to de charge or de fuse.... There is little perfection and it is not something most of us have to worry about in the last 12200 or so lives we have decided to come back and agrred on our part.
Much compassion and much acceptance that allowances must be made for all types of understandings and resistances and knowing you picked the part.
That souls come back is more a product of the desires that one has not gotten neutral with or needs another try at- not because somebody other than you and your soul need the experience again to get clear of it. This is entirely up to you
One of my SOM friends says that she doesn't do the "2X4" rule anymore- that is one must be hit in the head until one accepts and moves on.
In some areas I like the "2X4" rule others I do not , I think, unfortunatley once it is in play there are not as many choices as once there were...but knowing that you are employing it may be better than no discernment of the part one plays.
Or maybe not
Please do not wear a bunched up thong while employing the 2X4 rule because your ass will never be the same and to a lesser degree your head will not either and in the worse case scenario your heart will be pierced by your own lack of descernment.
Such is life, and life and life and life and life and so on
I was brought up Catholic, by the time I was 10
I believed that I was no good, condemned for eternity,
like there was something intrinsically wrong with me,
because I masturbated.
This created a huge conflict in me and affected all aspects of my life.
Even though I was somewhat aware of this I didn't suspect all the different
ways in which I was affected.
Over the years I've had 3 "episodes" and been diagnosed as
bipolar with psycho tropic tendencies. (I was hearing voices)
As for the episodes, I believe was was releasing large segments of
subconscious beliefs that revolved around this conflict.
To me being reincarnated is a better option than eternal damnation,
at least we have the chance to work out our own salvation.
Hey give your name I don’t like communicating with #1221
I am also a manic depressive of the most severe kind; I will discuss this with via PM or by my email mcdougall.alan@yahoo.com
Mania can lead to unspeakable fear and bizarre experiences that they simply defy descriiption
All this Catholic and Christian fundamentalist dogma angers me even disgusts me.
I have had a NDE the only thing remotely like judgment is the Life Review, where you are encouraged to do better the next time around
But you realize that while extremely manic you become very very psychic, other realities or dimensions open up and you become one and observe everything from the perception of God
Those voices are not due to psychosis but are you are hearing from other realities.
When you come back to “Normal” you forget most of what you heard or saw while manic much to our frustration.
While in the manic state for instance I became completely telepathic, my mind filled with a cacophony of voices from other people, even my dog.
The problem with me is that I could not control myself. The biblical prophets were all manics
We can talk more if what I said resonates with you.
Dont worry
man!! God gave you your sex drive, how can he then say you sin by using it
I don't believe in Karma either. I've seen bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people. Over and over again. It's as simple as that.
The biggest problem I have with believing in karma is that it can't explain when bad things happen to kids. Cancer, death, kidnapping, child molestation, stories in the news about parents just beating their toddler to death or throwing it down the stairs, kids who get bullied so badly in schools that they kill themselves over it..etc. Things that we wouldn't dream of doing in the USA being acceptable in third world countries such as old men marrying, raping and impregnating a 9 year old and it being "normal" there.
If something bad happens to a kid, is that "Karma" going after the parents? Or the kid for being a reincarnated Hitler or someone evil in a past life?
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