Cancer: Dr.RALPH MOSS
CHEMOTHERAPY, LAETRILE, COLEY'S TOXINS, BURZYNSKI, & CANCER POLITICS
(Laura Lee radio show, 1994)
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Cancer, CHEMOTHERAPY, LAETRILE, COLEY'S
TOXINS, BURZYNSKI, & CANCER POLITICS
(Laura Lee radio show, 1994)
For over two decades, Ralph W. Moss Ph.D., has been an
outstanding journalist in the field of cancer. From 1974 to 1977, he was science writer
(later assistant director of public affairs) at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in
New York. Since being fired for
"whistle blowing," he has written ten books which have helped define the
field of alternative medicine (Cancer Therapy, The Cancer Industry, Questioning
Chemotherapy, Herbs Against Cancer, etc.). Many consider him one of the world's leading
authorities on alternative and complementary approaches to cancer. Famed physician and
author Dr. Julian Whitaker has said
that if he had cancer he would turn first to Dr. Moss.
Julian Whitaker, M.D.
Julian Whitaker, M.D.
wrote about Ralph W.
Moss, Ph.D.'s report service in the November 1995 issue of his Health & Healing
"You should know that if I were
battling cancer -- or any serious disease, for that matter -- I would be in a constant
search for effective, non-toxic therapies. One place to begin that search is with Ralph
Moss, Ph.D. He is probably the most knowledgeable writer in the world on alternative
therapies for cancer.... If I had cancer, I would start here for more information."
The medical establishment keeps telling us that
there are only 3 ways to treat cancer--chemotherapy, radiation and surgery. Many people
disagree and among them is Dr Ralph Moss, author of a new book, Cancer Therapy. Dr Moss,
can we have a bit of background and why you became interested and decided to devote your
practice and research to cancer?
Twenty years ago I was hired at Memorial Sloane
Kettering (MSK) cancer centre in New York as the science writer, later promoted to
assistant director of public affairs. Shortly after I went to work there I went to visit
an elderly Japanese scientist, Kanematsu Sugiura, who astonished me when he told me he was
working on Laetrile (B17), at the time it was the most controversial thing in cancer
..reputed to be a cure for cancer. We in public affairs were giving out statements that
Laetrile was worthless, it was quackery, and people should not abandon proven therapies. I
was astonished that our most distinguished scientist would be bothering with something
like this, and I said why are you doing this if it does not work. He took down lab books
and showed me that in fact Laetrile is dramatically effective in stopping the spread of
cancer. The animals were genetically programmed to get breast cancer and about 80 - 90% of
them normally get spread of the cancer from the breast to the lungs which is a common
route in humans, also for how people die of breast cancer, and instead when they gave the
animals Laetrile by injection only 10-20% of them got lung metasteses. And these facts
were verified by many people, including the pathology department.
Laura Lee: So this is verified, that
Laetrile can have this positive effect?
We were finding this and yet we in public
affairs were told to issue statements to the exact opposite of what we were finding
scientifically, and as the years went by I got more rapped up in this thing and 3 years
later I said all this in my own press conference, and was fired the next day, "for
failing to carry out his most basic job responsibility"--ie to lie to the public what
goes on in cancer research
Laura Lee: How can these people justify this in
their own minds?
Basically the attitude was best expressed by
Lewis Thomas, the president of the centre, who told my boss, as he would not see me,
"I am not going to die on the barricades for Laetrile. It is not a cure, it is only a
palliative, (meaning it relieves pain and stops the spread of cancer), if it were a cure
it might be a different story, but I am not going to give up my career, to die on the
barricades". That's how they justified it in their own minds. I could not do that,
nor could Dr Sugiura, who never renounced the results of his own studies, despite the fact
they put enormous pressure on him to do so.
Laura Lee: Are we practicing
science here, or medicine, or politics?
Dr.RALPH MOSS: Politics. Political
science as we say!
You were mentioning that patients hear cure
rate when something very different is being talked about. And we can go into the poor
statistics for the standard modalities. They are not that effective, which is why everyone
is looking for an alternative.
When I was at MSK a lot of very weird things
started to happen to me, there was this cognitive distance between what I was told, and
was writing about treatment, especially chemotherapy, and what I was seeing with my own
eyes. One time I heard the head of the intensive care unit give a talk in which he bragged
about how he had one of the lowest mortality rates in his unit. I went out to lunch with
him, where he became a bit inebriated, and told me how he managed to get those
statistics---by wheeling the dying patients out into the corridor where they died and
didn't sully our departments record.
Laura Lee: Lets skew those statistics any
way that looks good to us.
Another time I went to interview a breast
surgeon, and he had a lamp in the shape of a women's breast on his desk. I couldn't even
get out a single interview question I was so astounded by this insensivity, and here women
were flocking in to have their breasts removed by this guy, and I thought...I didn't have
any idea what was wrong but it was that twilight zone of knowing, feeling that something
was definitely wrong but not knowing what it was. It was only when I had the enforced
leisure from being fired that I was able to really look into it.
It is interesting how many establishment
doctors start out, in many cases to disprove the efficacy of alternative therapies and
become advocates of alternative therapies. I don't hear many stories of the other way
No, it is not likely. So, I started to look
into the whole question of chemotherapy in particular, that is the cutting edge of
orthodox treatment and I have now completed a report---Chemotherapy, How, When, and Why.
With emphasis on the why. Although we do give some information for those who are taking
chemotherapy on what they can take to decrease the side effects. Basically it is a very
critical and comprehensive look, for we deal with about 60 different types of cancer, and
all of the FDA approved anti cancer drugs. The bottom line is for a few kinds of cancer
chemo is a life extending procedure---Hodgkin's disease, Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia,
Testicular cancer, and Choriocarcinoma. Testicular cancer has yielded to platinum
Laura Lee: It probably makes you impotent
It does more than that. It is extremely
damaging to the body, but it does lead to a very extended life for people with this
problem. An interesting thing is that platinum is the old homoeopathic drug for problems
of the testicles or the ovaries, and Hahnemann proved that on himself 180 years ago, but
Allopathic medicine takes this basic idea, without giving credit of course, ups the dose
by the billions because they can't conceive of small doses having significant biological
effect, and consequently put in massive amounts of homoeopathic medicines and cause
tremendous toxicity and other problems, second cancers down the road and so forth. Outside
those 4 or 5 treatments for which chemotherapy is effective there are a few where there is
very moderate effectiveness in terms of life extension---lung cancer and ovarian cancer
with a possibility of colon cancer.
When you look at the statistics chemotherapy is
a standard treatment for all types of cancer generally speaking.
Dr.RALPH MOSS: Yes, it has become.
Laura Lee: However, when you really
look at the statistics, you were saying, only a few respond.
Dr.RALPH MOSS: Yes, 2-4%.
Laura Lee: How in the world, Dr Moss, can
it be considered a standard cure, when it works for 2-4, and very specific ones?
We are dealing with an industry. It is not
supported by the facts. The way that it is done is this. The drugs are tested in test
tubes, and they look for things that will kill cells. After you have found something that
kills cells, cancer cells, cell lines which are very abnormal non-typical sort of growths,
maybe a new life form almost, then you put it into animals. Then if it kills the cancers
before it kills the animals, and shrinks the tumours, you consider you have an active
agent. You then put it into people, and go through the 3 phases the FDA prescribes for
this, and basically if you can shrink the tumour 50% or more for 28 days you have got the
FDA's definition of an active drug. That is called a response rate, so you have a
Laura Lee: Different from a cure?
Quite a bit because when you look to see if
there is any life prolongation from taking this treatment what you find is all kinds of
hocus pocus and song and dance about the disease free survival, and this and that. In the
end there is no proof that chemotherapy in the vast majority of cases actually extends
life, and this is the GREAT LIE about chemotherapy, that somehow there is a correlation
between shrinking a tumour and extending the life of the patient.
Or that there is a correlation between looking
at a cancer cell in a test tube and the tumour in someone's body.
Absolutely. What happens as you grow those
cells in cell lines they become very weird. Hundreds and hundreds of generations later
they don't even look like even normal human cancer cells. They are things that grow under
glass, immortal cells, unlike normal body cells or normal cancer cells. So much cancer
research is very questionable because it is based on this cell line research.
Politics it seems is the word you must
understand in order to understand what is going on. It is not science, it is not medicine,
it is politics..
And big money You have to understand that
cancer is 1/9th of the overall health budget in the United States. The last figures I have
seen from the American Cancer Society of money spent on cancer indirectly or directly at
107 Billion dollars.
Laura Lee: AIDS is a 4 billion
Research, but you can't come compare AIDS to
cancer. Cancer we are talking about well over a million cases a year, not counting skin
cancer which probably equals that.
Laura Lee: One million new cases
discounting skin cancer?
Right. About 630,000 people die every year of
cancer in the US, and it really is an epidemic disease. We have got a tremendous industry.
Every one of those people who is getting cancer and dying of it is going to be treated,
and these treatments are extremely expensive. Chemo is tens of thousands, sometimes
hundreds of thousands of dollars. A bone marrow transplantation which is basically another
way of giving chemotherapy or radiation can run to about 150,000 dollars per person, and
is almost never effective. It kills about 25%..
Laura Lee: Why carry on doing it?
Because of the money, which is tremendous. If
you look at the board of directors of MSK you will find that the drug industry has a
dominant position on that board. One company in particular, Bristol Myers, which produces
between 40 -50% of all the chemotherapy in the world, and they have top positions at MSK
Laura Lee: Doesn't that constitute a
serious conflict of interest?
They are selling their own drugs to that
particular hospital but they have written into the by-laws of the centre that it does not
constitute a conflict of interest to sell their company drugs to the centre. They get
around it by not taking a salary. They are not paid, they are volunteers. Look what
happens. You have a man like Benno Schmidt, who was first head of the president's cancer
panel under Nixon, then becomes head of MSK. He then goes on using the knowledge he gained
at MSK to set up his own drug company to make tens of millions of dollars.
Laura Lee: Another revolving door.
Dr.RALPH MOSS: You bet, and a big one.
We have had 50 years of American Cancer Society
(ACS) brainwashing on the question of cancer, so most people out there believe we are
making progress in the war on cancer. We are not, we are losing the war. The statistics...
Laura Lee: 1.7% increase in terms of
success rate a year, its nothing
By the time we get to the 24 century we might
have effective treatments, Star Trek will be long gone by that time. It is not working,
yet we have had this infrastructure, the cancer establishment imposed over this country
for the last 50 years. It is a fund raising machine. The ACS takes in 400 million dollars
a year. What are they doing with it? Where are the treatments? Where are the cures? Where
is the good research? They are way way way out, far, drifting out to sea in terms of
anything approaching human cancer. We have to re-orientate ourselves around the actual
patient in front of you. The only thing that matters in cancer or any other disease.
Instead we have this very abstract, academic, cruel, inhuman system which is now going to
be forced down our throats by government decree.
I am told the tobacco industry tries to
influence the boards of directors of some of these cancer hospitals.
At MSK in New York we had two top executives of
Philip Morris and one of Nabisco on the board. You will not find much research being done
on tobacco at MSK. They are not interested in tobacco, that is old hat, they are
interested in P53 and other kind of weird genes that they find in their petri dishes. At
the Tish hospital at NYU (New York University), named after the Tish family that is are
chairman of the board. They own the Laura Lard tobacco company, so they giveth and taketh
away. They are going to give you cancer and then they will "cure" you of cancer,
although they can't cure you. They will give you 3 months extra survival with vicious
chemotherapy and call that a cure.
Laura Lee: I'd rather die gracefully in
You bet. You better not smoke and then most of
the lung cancer wont happen, but that is one example of how the tobacco industry has
infiltrated the medical establishment. The bigger thing is the industrial interests. If
you look at the board of MSK you will find the who's who of the petro-chemical industry.
Why are they there? Again, very little research is done on the effect of chemicals in
causing cancer. We know that is probably one of the main things that causes
cancer---petro-chemical pollution. But that is denied denied. Of course it's denied,
because the people who are paying the bill and directing cancer research have a vested
interest in keeping the scientists away from that area, and keeping them focused on DRUG
cures, things that can be patented, marketed and so forth, and the FDA is in total
collusion in this. They have set up a system where it costs hundreds of millions of
dollars to develop a new drug in the US. Well, right there you know you are dealing with a
Laura Lee: You can't be a small
company and afford those research bills.
Dr.RALPH MOSS: You can't get in. It is a
poker game where the ante is a 100 million dollars.
Laura Lee: Don't we have anti-trust
We are supposed to, and I have gone to people
in the anti-trust division of the justice department. Their attitude is show us the
smoking gun, in other words we want to see the conspiracy. Well I don't have access to the
yachts off shore..
Laura Lee: You can see it. You have big
business looking at cancer as a potential growth industry.
You can come up with any results you want. You
can buy the scientists to do that research. There are hired hands out there to attack any
non-toxic treatment that you want to attack, and come up with some phoney results, give
people synthetic vitamins with carcinogens, and that proves that vitamins cause cancer
instead of curing cancer. You name it. If you have got the money you can buy the minority
of scientists who are corrupt, but they are out there. Basically most people know how the
data on the breast cancer study at the National Cancer Institute was fudged. The question
of wether lumpectomy was as good as mastectomy is now in somewhat doubt, because of the
fake data that was submitted to the national surgical adjuvent and bowel project run out
of the university of Pittsburg. This kind of corruption and fakery, and abuse of the
public has been going on as long as the war on cancer has been going on. The fact is that
all of the studies that have been supervised by the National Cancer Institute should now
be re-examined by congressional committees to see wether or not there is real corruption
in all of them.
Laura Lee: If there was an even playing
field some of the alternative therapies would shine.
The Japanese are not afraid to look at things
that are non-toxic. Here we will look at natural things as long as they are more toxic
than chemotherapy. We don't want any competition. It would be unfair competition to have a
less toxic drug than chemotherapy because everyone would then flock to the less toxic
What is really sick is the industry leaders
value their bottom line more than the well being and life of people.
Yes, because we have set up a situation where
it costs hundreds of millions of dollars for a new drug. Once you have got a situation
like that you have got to have a patent on the drug.
Laura Lee: We know that natural
substances cannot be patented.
If you want to change it you change the law
that establishes the need for double blind clinical studies in drugs. You eliminate the
efficacy clause from the Harris amendment to the food and drug act, which Harris himself
didn't even want. This was imposed by the FDA and the drug industry. This upped the ante
and made a regulatory barrier. Now instead of it taking 1 million dollars to establish the
safety of a drug, you now need 300 million dollars. So none of the small inventors, or the
people with good ideas can ever hope to possibly hope to get their drugs approved. They
put you in administrative limbo where the best you ever hope to get is this backburner
simmering kind of thing, and I know of a number of good scientists who have got IND's
(Investigative New Drug Applications) to test drugs, but when you try to market the drug
they will put you out of business, and Dr Burzynski is the prime example. Brilliant
scientist, wonderful results in cancer, validated by the NCI, and yet he is on the verge
of federal indictment.
If there is one thing you should pick up from
this show tonight it's this: If you ever get into a situation where a doctor recommends
chemotherapy to you or your family ask to see the studies that the chemotherapy actually
extends the life of the patient.
With chemo you may be shortening your life,
certainly be under discomfort, certainly incurring huge costs. It can bankrupt you or your
family. You have a right to know
What are the actual toxicity? Go to a library
to get a physicians desk reference, or my chemotherapy report. I am continuously amazed. I
was doing some research due to my consultations on AML--a type of Leukemia, and the
treatment is so intense and toxic that in the older group that this particular patient
fell into 40% die from the toxicity of the treatment.
Laura Lee: 40% would have lived longer if
they hadn't had the treatment.
And the cure rate is miniscule, under 10%. It
is terrible odds. In Las Vagas you wouldn't gamble with those odds unless you were crazy.
The doctors fudge the statistics. They are confounding and confusing different issues, the
response rate, the cure rate, the one year survival rate and so forth. Many doctors don't
know any better. They are afraid. The widest prairies have electric fences and they are
afraid to wander too close to the edge of their own field to find out what is on the other
side because they know from the example of Dr Jonathen Wright or Burzynski that if you
stray too far from the herd you are liable to bump into one of those electric fences. So
there is a kind of self censorship. I have seen this a hundred times. You talk to
oncologists and doctors, and they are individually open-minded and interested but as an
aggregate they will not move until their leadership moves because that is a very dangerous
thing for an oncologist to do. They would stand out too much, and they can't afford to do
that as they all depend on referrals from everyone else. So the minute you get branded as
a "quack"----it is a conformist world, and in the professions the peer pressure
is what makes for success or failure. Nobody wants to alienate their peers, so you don't
stick your neck out or you will get your head chopped off.
Laura Lee: Lop the tallest poppy. Where
does good science happen? (Continues...)
Dr Govallo in Russia who gets 75% five year
survival in most carcinomas. Unbelievable. CG hormone. Trophoblastic cells. Cancer is
similar to pregnancy. Cancer looks like a pregnancy. Dr Lance....isolate the blocking
factor...analised proteins anti tumour necrosis factor....blocking factors of tumour.. we
dismount immune system when pregnant... remove blocking proteins 3 patients with over 2
pounds of cancer...within 24 hours all dead on autopsy they did not have a single cancer
cells all gone in 48 hours....but kidneys could not handle it....they did not know about
detox....the word detox does not appear in the main textbook on cancer or the main medical
textbook...the word in medicine refers to heroin addicts and getting them off
heroin....they do not conceive that their are such things as toxins created by a
tumour...where do they think it all goes?....it goes straight to the kidney, liver,
lungs....Lentz learned to go slower... surgery can reduce tumour load...this failure is
more exciting than most of the success I read about...it shows you how incredibly powerful
the immune system is...it is not just that people have failing immune systems...it is
primarily that the tumour can evade the immune system....it does not see the tumour
there...if you make it visible it will go in and wipe it out....the Burton Clinic in the
Bahamas does this....Lentz did learn (1986) 2 patients who were terminal are still
alive.... in 1902 a man, Beard, discovered cancer is trophoblast, wrong time wrong
place............cancer is far too intelligent to submit to the raid approach of
Laura Lee: Other research?
Burzynski, only available in Texas. Some
results are amazing, for example in brain cancer. The NCI sent a team, finally, after we
were asking them for 15 years, and validated the cases. I met one of the boys who was
treated for a tumour about the size of pear in his brain. Within one month the tumour was
gone, and it is 3 years down the road, cancer free. He has damage from the radiation
treatment he recieved prior to that, he lost some of his hearing In non Hodgkinson
lymphoma I have a friend who had stage 4, went through chemo, radiation and bone barrow
stransplant. He failed the bone marrow transplantation. More chemotherapy. Read my book
and found out about Dr Burzynski, and its 5 years, and he is compleatly free of cancer...
an amazing case.....he also took the whole "chicken soup" of vitamins
etc.....why is this better than chemo?...it is very low toxicity
Laura Lee: You are talking about not
damaged immune systems but how the immune system was fooled.
Dr.RALPH MOSS: Exactly, but you still
have to have an immune system. Chemo decreases it..
Laura Lee: And you are going to die when
some other germ comes along.
Or another cancer comes along, which happens to
about 10% of the people who survive the chemotherapy, they develop a second cancer, and
they will never cure that one. It is almost impossible to cure. Another treatment COLEYS
TOXINS which is one of the ones that excites me the most. This is not generally available
though I do know of ways to get it in different forms. It was invented here like many of
our alternative treatments and then they have to go abroad to be used. There is a Coley's
hospital in China. They can get it in China but not here. It was discovered at MSK in 1893
and the results...over a 1000 people were treated with it. It is basically a high fever
treatment. Some guy rung a radio show I was on, he had a sarcoma that was operated on, it
spread, and his doctor sent him to Dr Coley. He was 13 at the time and 95 now. This is 82
years. Sarcoma is an incurable disease. A blow away treatment. In advanced terminal breast
cancer they got compleat remissions in 50% of the cases using this treatment.
Laura Lee: This is criminal.
That is not saying what you would get if you
used it in conjunction with surgery, you may get a 100%
Laura Lee: It is criminal that these are
not incorporated into the standard procedures.
You bet, it is criminal. I have known about
this and lived with it for 20 years. You know what? THEY know about it at Sloane
Kettering. They even put Coleys picture in their publicity material, as a pioneer of
immunology, but they would never use the treatment themselves. They want to develop DRUGS
that can be spun off like Tumour Necrosis Factor, like these other immunologically based
drug treatments, highly toxic, destructive of the immune system, incredibly expensive.
Laura Lee: It's big business.
Yes, he who pays the piper calls the tune, and
the drug industry pays the piper. Do you know what the MSK president makes?
Laura Lee: $400,000?
That's chicken feed. The president of MSK makes
2 million dollars a year, 2.2 million.
Coleys toxins are bacteria that force the body
to fever and kill them and the cancer as well. Tumours are very poorly vascularised, so
you disrupt their ability to get nutrients and to get rid of wastes by raising the body
temperature.....this is really an effective treatment and it an OUTRAGEOUS crime of the
century that we at MSK were able to cure cancer a 100 years ago that they can't cure
today. This is a fraud being perpetrated on the public...
Laura Lee: Why isn't the New York Times
writing about this?
The chairman of the board of Bristol Myers, the
main company producing anti-cancer drugs, who also happens to be on the board of MSK, is
also on the board of the New York Times. Everybody's brother in law is an oncologist, or
on the board of somebody else's something or other, so it is a money making thing for the
establishment. A hundred and seven billion, with a B, dollars a year business, and we are
not going to get rid of it easily. The point is use your vote....
Laura Lee: Or your mind
Dr.RALPH MOSS: Or your mind, what a novel idea.
Lets work with it (cancer) rather than go out
to stamp on it like a cockroach.
Chemotherapy is machismo practiced to the N'th
degree. It is a war in which you are the battleground, lucky you, I mean you have to treat
your body better than that. The folks that bring you the toxic chemicals that cause the
cancer are then kind enough to bring you toxic chemicals that allegedly..... Laura Lee: We
live in interesting times.
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