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  • The Speed of Light   by  Ready2Rapture     19 y     3,303       5 Messages Shown       Blog: Forbidden Knowledge
    So far we've seen that we can't prove the age of the rocks or the fossils, but what about distant starlight? Doesn't it prove an old universe, since science has "proven" that the speed of light is, and always has been, constant? Are there any factors that can alter the speed of light? Here I will quote two articles from Answers In Genesis, which I highly recommend you read for yourself.

    Let's start with excerpts from an AiG response to a scientific paper on the Big Bang:
    The secular publication Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences has published a paper(1) that questions the foundational assumptions of the Big Bang theory.

    The standard assumption upon which big bang thinking is built (an assumption is a belief for which there is no proof either way) is that the universe does not have a center or an edge.  Smoller and Temple’s paper assumes the opposite, just as does Humphreys in Starlight and Time.  And just as Humphreys’ model has the universe expanding out of a white hole (a black hole running in reverse) so too does their paper! 

    In their model, the event horizon (the hypothetical boundary around a black or white hole at which time slows down dramatically) is still ‘out there’, whereas Humphreys has it touching the earth during Creation Week.  So the Smoller-Temple paper is not concerned with time dilation. 

    1- Smoller, J. and Temple, B, Shock-wave cosmology inside a black hole, Proceedings of the National Academy of  Sciences 100(20):11216–11218, 30 September 2003.

    Einstein's general theory of relativity (GR) basically says that gravity affects time. The stronger the force of gravity, the slower time goes. This is an observed scientific fact. So time can literally be bent, or have its speed changed. If you use this theory as a kind of "black box", what "comes out" at the end of the equation depends completely on what assumptions you "feed" into it.

    So if you feed the assumption of an unbounded universe without center or edge into GR, you get the Big Bang. But if you feed it the assumption of a bounded universe with a center and edge, you get Humphreys' white hole cosmology, which fits nicely into a literal 6-day creation week.

    Which assumption better fits astronomical observations? It ain't the Big Bang, as the Academy article shows. They have unwittingly given serious support to Humphreys' theory, which is increasingly being recognized as "the answer" to the distant starlight problem.

    (Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/1006cosmology.asp )

    Now some specifics about the speed of light.
    9 August 2002 Headlines in several newspapers around the world have publicized a paper in Nature by a team of scientists (including the famous physicist Paul Davies) who (according to these reports) claim that ‘light has been slowing down since the creation of the universe’.1

    In view of the potential significance of the whole ‘light slowing down’ issue to creationists, it is worth reviewing it briefly here.

    Well over a decade ago, AiG’s Creation magazine published very supportive articles concerning a theory by South Australian creationist Barry Setterfield, that the speed of light (‘c’) had slowed down or ‘decayed’ progressively since creation.

    In one fell swoop, this theory, called ‘c decay’2 (CDK) had the potential to supply two profound answers vitally important for a Biblical worldview.

    The distant starlight problem

    One was, if stars are really well over 6000 light years away, how could light have had time to travel from them to Earth? Two logically possible answers have serious problems:

    1 God created the starlight on its way: this suffers grievously from the fact that starlight also carries information about distant cosmic events. The created-in-transit theory means that the information would be ‘phony’, recording events which never happened, hence deceptive.

    2 The distances are deceptive: but despite some anomalies in redshift/distance correlations (see Galaxy-Quasar ‘Connection’ Defies Explanation), it’s just not possible for all stars and galaxies to be within a 6000-light-year radius—we would all fry!

    But if light were billions of times faster at the beginning, and slowed down in transit, there would be no more problem.

    Since most nuclear processes are mathematically related to the speed of light, a faster ‘c’ might well mean a faster rate of radioactive decay, thus explaining much of the evidence used to justify the billions of years of geological hypothesizing. In fact, top-flight creationist researchers involved with the RATE (Radioactive Isotopes and the Age of the Earth) project have found powerful evidence of speeded-up decay in the past. CDK might offer a mechanism.
    ...
    It is truly ironic to look back at the time when some creationists were actively putting forward CDK as a profoundly important hypothesis. The anticreationists, both the anti-theists and their compromising churchian allies, launched their attacks with glee. Skeptics around the world seldom failed to have audiences in fits of laughter at the ‘ridiculous’ notion that what they labeled as a ‘certain cornerstone of modern physics’, the alleged constancy through time of the value of c, was wrong. No matter what comes of his notion as a whole, no matter even whether c has actually changed or not, in that sense at least, thanks to Paul Davies, Setterfield (and those, like ourselves, who supported his pioneering efforts) has already had the last laugh.
    ...
    I believe we need to understand, as most physicists really do, how immensely little is yet known about such major issues. What if Humphreys is right, for instance, and the answer lies in the general relativistic distortion (by gravity) of time itself in an expanded (by God who ‘stretched out the heavens’ as Scripture says repeatedly) bounded universe? Would not the world have laughed if such notions (as time running differently under different gravity influences, for instance) had first been put forward by modern Bible-believers? They would have been seen as ad hoc inventions, but they have been experimentally tested.

    This ‘secular CDK’ announcement, by one of the biggest names in physics, should really be an antidote to the confident arrogance of long-age big-bangers. So should the recent landmark TJ paper by Humphreys showing observationally that we are in fact close to the centre of a bounded universe.

    People need to be aware just how abstract, shaky and prone to revision the findings of modern cosmology really are. To quote Prof. Wanser again:
    ‘The sad thing is that the public is so overawed by these things [big bang and long-age cosmologies], just because there is complex maths involved. They don’t realize how much philosophical speculation and imagination is injected along with the maths—these are really stories that are made up.’

    All in all, it’s an exciting time to be a Genesis creationist. But then, it’s always been an exciting time to take God at His Word.


    (Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0809_cdk_davies.asp)
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    • The Vacuum and Special Relativity Theory.   by  socratus     19 y     1,467
      The Vacuum and Special Relativity Theory.

      Special Relativity Theory examines the behaviour of a quantum of light in the vacuum.
      1) The First law of SRT - the speed of a quantum of light in vacuum has
      a maximal magnitude (constant, absolute) of c=1.
      2) SRT is not considered a gravitational field.
      For this reason, Einstein created General Relativity Theory in 1915.
      The field in which there is no gravitation is a vacuum.
      3) This asserts that action in SRT occurs with particles in
      negative four-dimensional (Minkowski) space. This space is absolute.
      Mathematicians have constructed its model and speak
      of this negative space as completely abstract.
      Nobody sees that it has no connection to real existence.
      This is similar to a sad joke.
      For 100 years everyone has admired SRT.
      Millions of articles, reviews and books have been written
      and the United Nations has decided to establish 2005 as the centennial year of SRT.
      Consider that all that is clear in this theory
      is that negative four-dimensional space is abstract and has no real existence.
      My God! There does not appear to be anyone to laugh at this joke!
      Everyone searches for complex models of four-dimensional space, but truth lies in simplicity. All is very simple.
      We meet the negative characteristic of space only in the vacuum, and in the vacuum,
      space is merged with time (negative four-dimensional space).
      According to the first law, the speed of light is absolute and movement occurs
      in the absolute vacuum. So why does everyone speak and write that there is no
      absolute movement; that only relative movement v =s/t is real?
      Why does everyone say that there is no absolute reference system,
      if the absolute speed can be only in absolute space?
      Here we have one of the paradoxes in human intelligence.
      * * *
      If you have time and desire, I ask you to visit my site
      http://www.socratus.com
      Best wishes.
      Socratus.
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      • Re: The Vacuum and Special Relativity Theory.   by  Ready2Rapture     19 y     1,282
        Hello, thanks for your input.

        I am no expert in physics, so let me see if I understand the point you are making about nothingness/emptiness/vacuum.

        You seem to be saying that the physical must have had its source in the nonphysical or spiritual, based upon the laws and theories of physics. Although some today wish very much to believe that physical quanta can arise out of nothing, in defiance of the law of cause and effect (and in an effort to justify their faith in a physical universe that created itself), you appear to be saying that the cause is spiritual. Which, of course, means that it did in fact have a cause, just not one that is physical.

        I would agree with you that there is a spiritual cause and sustenance of the physical universe. The Bible says in Colossians 1:16-17 that Jesus created all things, visible and invisible, and that all things are "held together in him".

        Since it is observed that physical entities run down without added energy from outside themselves, and that the universe as a whole is running down toward heat death, it is reasonable to conclude that the physical universe had a beginning which was caused by a spiritual entity who gave it its energy. It is also reasonable to conclude that this same First Cause is what keeps the whole thing from flying apart, down to the subatomic particles. Atoms contain unimaginable amounts of energy, as nuclear bombs demonstrate. Yet it took quite a lot of scientific effort to learn how to break them apart.

        On the other hand, as over 300 scientists have publicly stated, the Big Bang theory is in serious doubt. They have admitted that the theory was built upon an elaborate structure of highly speculative assumptions, and has now been sufficiently disproved by observational science. You may also be interested in this link:

        http://www.defendyourfaith.com/

        Click on the picture of the earth, and then on "Refuting Big Bang". Here is another article: http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/controversies/bigbang.htm , although they propose to replace Big Bang with Plasma cosmology which assumes "an evolving universe without beginning or end". I have neither the time nor the inclination to study it, but it just shows that the venerated theories of "science" aren't as etched in stone as they would like us to believe.

        So I don't know for sure whether your theory depends heavily on Big Bang or not, but if it does, you will want to decide whether it needs an adjustment. I am not qualified to argue theoretical physics, but if your theory were to be reviewed by established physicists it would be something to consider. Of course I recommend open-minded and honest physicists who can be found at answersingenesis.org. I trust their judgment and would be most interested in their assessment of your ideas.

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    • the beginning?   by  #27054     19 y     1,097
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